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<body class='hmmessage'>Is it usable?buildable? I don't think so but I am curious. Maybe research later, but there are way more pressing matters...<BR>
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I'm fine either way. I think I've said more than my piece, many times over. :)<BR>
Very cathartic, and less damaging than doing anything to the code. :)<BR>
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Yes yes, I know the names but I don't know what others would know.<BR>
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And I know renaming makes tracking history hard, depending on source control, but pretty much no matter what.<BR>
This is a huge reason not to rename. History can be super valuable.<BR>
That's why I took forever to get over the hump and push all the NT386 content into NT386.Common instead of doing it a bit earlier, and I'm still not sure it was a good idea. The code is highly shared though. Perhaps it should be smushed all into NT386 in the source tree and three variants extracted in the build. NT386 seems to have the fewest people that give a damn so...<BR>
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- Jay<BR><BR>
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> From: hosking@cs.purdue.edu<BR>> Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 09:49:53 -0500<BR>> To: hosking@cs.purdue.edu<BR>> CC: m3devel@elegosoft.com<BR>> Subject: Re: [M3devel] INSTALL_ROOT and PKG_USE in cm3.cfg<BR>> <BR>> Latest Darwin source is still at http://www.opensource.apple.com/ <BR>> darwinsource/<BR>> <BR>> On Jan 25, 2008, at 9:40 AM, Tony Hosking wrote:<BR>> <BR>> > Precisely!<BR>> ><BR>> > On Jan 25, 2008, at 5:38 AM, Mika Nystrom wrote:<BR>> ><BR>> >> I'm not sure about this MACOSX business.<BR>> >><BR>> >> This is what I see when I log in to my Mac:<BR>> >><BR>> >> (94)rover:~>ssh -Y lapdog<BR>> >> Last login: Tue Jan 22 00:33:21 2008 from rover<BR>> >> Welcome to Darwin!<BR>> >> [lapdog:~] mika% uname -a<BR>> >> Darwin lapdog 8.11.0 Darwin Kernel Version 8.11.0: Wed Oct 10 <BR>> >> 18:26:00 PDT 2007; root:xnu-792.24.17~1/RELEASE_PPC Power <BR>> >> Macintosh powerpc<BR>> >> [lapdog:~] mika%<BR>> >><BR>> >><BR>> >><BR>> >> Jay writes:<BR>> >>> --_587094ee-5029-41f3-88b0-f4a35ad4e834_<BR>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"<BR>> >>> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable<BR>> >>><BR>> >>> ok, but independent of what it's actual dependencies are...how <BR>> >>> many people =<BR>> >>> run Darwin? How many people run Mac OS X? How many people have <BR>> >>> heard of Dar=<BR>> >>> win (not Charles)? How many people have heard of Mac OS X? Even <BR>> >>> among the u=<BR>> >>> nusual people who might read anything related to Modula-3 and own <BR>> >>> a Macinto=<BR>> >>> sh running Mac OS X? I know it's not a popularity contest but.. <BR>> >>> NT386 shoul=<BR>> >>> d be called Windows. The name "NT" will probably gradually fade <BR>> >>> into obscur=<BR>> >>> ity and the name "Windows" will live on much longe. Posix and <BR>> >>> Unix will pro=<BR>> >>> bably be forgotten and people will only have heard of "Linux".<BR>> >>> =20<BR>> >>> The PPC_DARWIN port has an optional dependency on X Windows..is <BR>> >>> that availa=<BR>> >>> ble for plain Darwin or only with Mac OS X?<BR>> >>> =20<BR>> >>> Anyway..it's just a gut feeling I have as to what names people <BR>> >>> would look f=<BR>> >>> or and find less surprising.<BR>> >>> I was surprised by "Darwin", therefore would be.. :)<BR>> >>> MacX is maybe a better compromise to be shorter.<BR>> >>> or Macintosh for verbosity and without so many initials.. (NT386 <BR>> >>> may be sho=<BR>> >>> rt and typable but every letter is a syllable and I think economy <BR>> >>> of syllab=<BR>> >>> les is also important....(not clear if prounounced "eight" or <BR>> >>> "eighty")<BR>> >>> Or maybe just Mac, assuming nobody thinks there will ever be a <BR>> >>> port to pre =<BR>> >>> MacX, which could be called OldMac or MacClassic or Mac9 anyway <BR>> >>> if necessar=<BR>> >>> y.. :)<BR>> >>> =20<BR>> >>> LINUX, LINUXELF, LINUXLIBC6? Please.<BR>> >>> Couldn't Linux have been recycled for LINUXLIBC6?Does anyone have <BR>> >>> Linux 1.2=<BR>> >>> around?<BR>> >>> That's the version I've run the most, long ago. :)<BR>> >>> =20<BR>> >>> Anyway I don't care THAT much and I will resist suggesting any <BR>> >>> more names f=<BR>> >>> or any preexisting targets or criticizing them.<BR>> >>> They almost all stink, esp. the active ones. :)<BR>> >>> Are the older FreeBSD ABIs so inferior that it is worth having <BR>> >>> newer ones? =<BR>> >>> They didn't have pthreads back then and they do now?<BR>> >>> =20<BR>> >>> - Jay<BR>> >>><BR>> >>><BR>> >>><BR>> >>>> Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 11:09:59 +0100> From: <BR>> >>>> wagner@elegosoft.com> To: m3=<BR>> >>> devel@elegosoft.com> Subject: Re: [M3devel] INSTALL_ROOT and <BR>> >>> PKG_USE in cm3=<BR>> >>> .cfg> > Quoting Jay <jayk123@hotmail.com>:> > > using this code <BR>> >>> on PPC_LINU=<BR>> >>> X and PPC_DARWIN (should be called > > PPC_MACOSX but oh well)> > <BR>> >>> Actually =<BR>> >>> I did the port on a plain DARWIN system from opendarwin.org> when <BR>> >>> this was =<BR>> >>> still alive. So there should be no dependency on MacOS X> <BR>> >>> extensions.> > Ol=<BR>> >>> af> -- > Olaf Wagner -- elego Software Solutions GmbH> Gustav- <BR>> >>> Meyer-Allee 2=<BR>> >>> 5 / Geb=E4ude 12, 13355 Berlin, Germany> phone: +49 30 23 45 86 <BR>> >>> 96 mobile: =<BR>> >>> +49 177 2345 869 fax: +49 30 23 45 86 95> http:// <BR>> >>> www.elegosoft.com | Gesch=<BR>> >>> =E4ftsf=FChrer: Olaf Wagner | Sitz: Berlin> Handelregister: <BR>> >>> Amtsgericht Cha=<BR>> >>> rlottenburg HRB 77719 | USt-IdNr: DE163214194>=20<BR>> >>> _________________________________________________________________<BR>> >>> Helping your favorite cause is as easy as instant <BR>> >>> messaging.=A0You IM, we g=<BR>> >>> ive.<BR>> >>> http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=3Dtext_hotmail_join=<BR>> >>><BR>> >>> --_587094ee-5029-41f3-88b0-f4a35ad4e834_<BR>> >>> Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"<BR>> >>> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable<BR>> >>><BR>> >>> <html><BR>> >>> <head><BR>> >>> <style><BR>> >>> .hmmessage P<BR>> >>> {<BR>> >>> margin:0px;<BR>> >>> padding:0px<BR>> >>> }<BR>> >>> body.hmmessage<BR>> >>> {<BR>> >>> FONT-SIZE: 10pt;<BR>> >>> FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma<BR>> >>> }<BR>> >>> </style><BR>> >>> </head><BR>> >>> <body class=3D'hmmessage'>ok, but independent of what it's actual <BR>> >>> dependenc=<BR>> >>> ies are...how many people run Darwin? How many people run Mac OS <BR>> >>> X? How man=<BR>> >>> y people have heard of Darwin (not Charles)? How many people have <BR>> >>> heard of =<BR>> >>> Mac OS X? Even among the unusual people who might read anything <BR>> >>> related to =<BR>> >>> Modula-3 and own a Macintosh running Mac OS X? I know it's <BR>> >>> not a popul=<BR>> >>> arity contest but.. NT386 should be called Windows. The name "NT" <BR>> >>> will prob=<BR>> >>> ably gradually fade into obscurity and the name "Windows" will <BR>> >>> live on much=<BR>> >>> longe. Posix and Unix will probably be forgotten and people will <BR>> >>> only have=<BR>> >>> heard of "Linux".<BR><BR>> >>> <BR><BR>> >>> The PPC_DARWIN port has an optional dependency on X Windows..is <BR>> >>> that availa=<BR>> >>> ble for plain Darwin or only with Mac OS X?<BR><BR>> >>> <BR><BR>> >>> Anyway..it's just a gut feeling I have as to what names people <BR>> >>> would look f=<BR>> >>> or and find less surprising.<BR><BR>> >>> I was surprised by "Darwin", therefore would be.. :)<BR><BR>> >>> MacX is maybe a better compromise to be shorter.<BR><BR>> >>> or Macintosh for verbosity and without so many initials.. (NT386 <BR>> >>> may be sho=<BR>> >>> rt and typable but every letter is a syllable and I think economy <BR>> >>> of syllab=<BR>> >>> les is also important....(not clear if prounounced "eight" or <BR>> >>> "eighty")<BR><BR>> >>> Or maybe just Mac, assuming nobody thinks there will ever be a <BR>> >>> port to pre =<BR>> >>> MacX, which could be called OldMac or MacClassic or Mac9 anyway <BR>> >>> if necessar=<BR>> >>> y.. :)<BR><BR>> >>> <BR><BR>> >>> LINUX, LINUXELF, LINUXLIBC6? Please.<BR><BR>> >>> Couldn't Linux have been recycled for LINUXLIBC6?<BR>Does anyone <BR>> >>> have Linux=<BR>> >>> 1.2 around?<BR><BR>> >>> That's the version I've run the most, long ago. :)<BR><BR>> >>> <BR><BR>> >>> Anyway I don't care THAT much and I will resist suggesting any <BR>> >>> more names f=<BR>> >>> or any preexisting targets or criticizing them.<BR><BR>> >>> They almost all stink, esp. the active ones. :)<BR><BR>> >>> Are the older FreeBSD ABIs so inferior that it is worth having <BR>> >>> newer ones? =<BR>> >>> They didn't have pthreads back then and they do now?<BR><BR>> >>> <BR><BR>> >>> - Jay<BR><BR><BR><BR>> >>><BR>> >>> <HR id=3DstopSpelling><BR>> >>> <BR><BR>> >>> > Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 11:09:59 +0100<BR>> From: <BR>> >>> wagner@elegosoft.c=<BR>> >>> om<BR>> To: m3devel@elegosoft.com<BR>> Subject: Re: <BR>> >>> [M3devel] INSTALL=<BR>> >>> _ROOT and PKG_USE in cm3.cfg<BR>> <BR>> Quoting Jay <BR>> >>> <jayk123@hotma=<BR>> >>> il.com>:<BR>> <BR>> > using this code on PPC_LINUX <BR>> >>> and PPC_DARW=<BR>> >>> IN (should be called <BR>> > PPC_MACOSX but oh well) <BR>> >>> <BR>> <BR>>=<BR>> >>> Actually I did the port on a plain DARWIN system from <BR>> >>> opendarwin.org<BR>&g=<BR>> >>> t; when this was still alive. So there should be no dependency on <BR>> >>> MacOS X<B=<BR>> >>> R>> extensions.<BR>> <BR>> Olaf<BR>> -- <BR>> Olaf <BR>> >>> Wagner --=<BR>> >>> elego Software Solutions GmbH<BR>> Gustav-Meyer-Allee 25 / <BR>> >>> Geb=E4ude 12=<BR>> >>> , 13355 Berlin, Germany<BR>> phone: +49 30 23 45 86 96 mobile: <BR>> >>> +49 177 2=<BR>> >>> 345 869 fax: +49 30 23 45 86 95<BR>> http://www.elegosoft.com <BR>> >>> | Gesch=E4=<BR>> >>> ftsf=FChrer: Olaf Wagner | Sitz: Berlin<BR>> Handelregister: <BR>> >>> Amtsgericht=<BR>> >>> Charlottenburg HRB 77719 | USt-IdNr: DE163214194<BR>> <BR>> >>> <BR><BR><br /><hr=<BR>> >>> />Helping your favorite cause is as easy as instant <BR>> >>> messaging.=A0You IM, w=<BR>> >>> e give. <a href=3D'http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/? <BR>> >>> source=3Dtext_hotm=<BR>> >>> ail_join' target=3D'_new'>Learn more.</a></body><BR>> >>> </html>=<BR>> >>><BR>> >>> --_587094ee-5029-41f3-88b0-f4a35ad4e834_--<BR>> <BR><BR><br /><hr />Need to know the score, the latest news, or you need your HotmailŪ-get your "fix". <a href='http://www.msnmobilefix.com/Default.aspx' target='_new'>Check it out.</a></body>
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