<html><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>The ones sent directly to people aren't truncated, only when they go through m3devel.<br><br> - Jay (phone<span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.231373); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.231373); ">)</span></div><div><br>On Jul 2, 2009, at 10:51 AM, Tony Hosking <<a href="mailto:hosking@cs.purdue.edu">hosking@cs.purdue.edu</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>PS I don't see the truncated e-mails when I get them -- must be something broken on your end.<br><div apple-content-edited="true"> <span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; 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font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0000FF" face="'Gill Sans'"><br></font></span></div></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></div></span></div></span></div><div><div>On 2 Jul 2009, at 13:14, Jay wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div><br>[truncated..]<br><br><br><br><br>----------------------------------------<br><blockquote type="cite">From: <a href="mailto:jay.krell@cornell.edu"><a href="mailto:jay.krell@cornell.edu">jay.krell@cornell.edu</a></a><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">To: <a href="mailto:hosking@cs.purdue.edu"><a href="mailto:hosking@cs.purdue.edu">hosking@cs.purdue.edu</a></a><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">CC: <a href="mailto:m3devel@elegosoft.com"><a href="mailto:m3devel@elegosoft.com">m3devel@elegosoft.com</a></a><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Subject: RE: [M3devel] ROOT<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 17:13:05 +0000<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Btw, I think setting an environment variable that points to the root of the source tree is a pretty small cost to pay, for almost anything.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">ROOT is a bit generic I realize.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">It is worse to be copying files around, I admit, and I'm doing that too.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Another option is to copy /and/ commit the files, perhaps to sysutils, since we don't have to work with an old sysutils. This is the same sort of problem, you'll recall, that plagued making waitpid users not sleep() on pthreads platforms. There are still small hacks in place for that -- pretty small now, like, assuming we are on pthreads and not sleeping, to the detriment of user threads implementations.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">CM3_ROOT should work, but that might depend on your config file.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">I am strongly tempted to have cm3 poke around in the CVS directories and figure it out itself, as so many builds are run with .sh code that does roughly that.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">- Jay<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">----------------------------------------<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">From: <a href="mailto:jay.krell@cornell.edu"><a href="mailto:jay.krell@cornell.edu">jay.krell@cornell.edu</a></a><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">To: <a href="mailto:hosking@cs.purdue.edu"><a href="mailto:hosking@cs.purdue.edu">hosking@cs.purdue.edu</a></a><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">CC: <a href="mailto:m3devel@elegosoft.com"><a href="mailto:m3devel@elegosoft.com">m3devel@elegosoft.com</a></a><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Subject: RE: [M3devel] ROOT<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 16:55:16 +0000<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">As long as there is a need to work with older m3core, there will be hacks..<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">This stuff provides a significant value.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Before, the runpaths recorded would be a directory per dependent shared object -- the directory in the package store. And the runpaths were not machine portable -- if you install to a different location, which is debatable, maybe everyone should be stuck with /usr/local/cm3. OR everyone had to set LD_LIBRARY_PATH.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">With the hard links, people don't have to set LD_LIBRARY_PATH and everyone can pick their own install location.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">As well the temporary staging location for a distribution is not recorded in the binaries -- e.g. it wouldn't be /usr/local/cm3, but /tmp/something.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">- Jay<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">________________________________<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">CC: <a href="mailto:m3devel@elegosoft.com"><a href="mailto:m3devel@elegosoft.com">m3devel@elegosoft.com</a></a><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">From: <a href="mailto:hosking@cs.purdue.edu"><a href="mailto:hosking@cs.purdue.edu">hosking@cs.purdue.edu</a></a><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">To: <a href="mailto:jay.krell@cornell.edu"><a href="mailto:jay.krell@cornell.edu">jay.krell@cornell.edu</a></a><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Subject: Re: [M3devel] ROOT<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 12:40:18 -0400<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">I'm not talking about m3overrides. That is a arguably a special-purpose hack. We shouldn't layer a hack into the *normal* build process.<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Antony Hosking | Associate Professor | Computer Science | Purdue University<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">305 N. University Street | West Lafayette | IN 47907 | USA<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Office +1 765 494 6001 | Mobile +1 765 427 5484<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">On 2 Jul 2009, at 12:19, Jay wrote:<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Seems broken to me to depend on<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">the source directory structure<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Like m3overrides? But yes, I agree.<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">m3overrides seems broken too.<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">- Jay<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">----------------------------------------<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">From: <a href="mailto:hosking@cs.purdue.edu"><a href="mailto:hosking@cs.purdue.edu">hosking@cs.purdue.edu</a></a><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">To: <a href="mailto:m3devel@elegosoft.com"><a href="mailto:m3devel@elegosoft.com">m3devel@elegosoft.com</a></a><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 11:49:34 -0400<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Subject: [M3devel] ROOT<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Where did variable ROOT come from? Do I really need to define it?<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Seems broken to me to depend on the source directory structure as it<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">sets that structure in stone.<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></div></blockquote></div><br></div></blockquote></body></html>