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Tony,<BR>
- You didn't like how I factored InitMutex and InitCondition via InitMutexHelper?<BR>
- XWait doesn't have to initialize the mutex, because it must already<BR>
be locked, and therefore initialized? Or is that a "safety hole"?<BR>
Unsafe module trusting safe caller to have adhered to its interface<BR>
but it might not have to so unsafe code has to do extra work to preserve safety?<BR>
Reasonable to ASSERT instead? Or are asserts allowed to be removed<BR>
and can't be used to guarantee safety?<BR>
(I put them in C code used by Modula-3, but I can perhaps make the rules there.)<BR>
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- Jay<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR> <BR>
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From: jay.krell@cornell.edu<BR>To: hosking@cs.purdue.edu<BR>Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 08:53:01 +0000<BR>CC: m3devel@elegosoft.com<BR>Subject: Re: [M3devel] [M3commit] CVS Update: cm3<BR><BR>
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I believe it was this 30 minute window, 2009-02-16 02:00 - 2009-02-16 02:30:<BR> <BR>2009-02-16 02:30 hosking<BR><BR> * m3-libs/m3core/src/runtime/POSIX/: RTProcessPosixC.c,<BR> RTProcessPosixC.i3:<BR><BR> Tidy up.<BR><BR>2009-02-16 02:20 hosking<BR><BR> * m3-libs/m3core/src/: Csupport/VAX/dtoa.c, Csupport/big-endian/dtoa.c,<BR> Csupport/little-endian/dtoa.c, convert/CConvert.i3,<BR> convert/CConvert.m3, runtime/I386_DARWIN/RTThread.m3,<BR> runtime/common/RTCollector.m3, runtime/common/RTHeapRep.i3,<BR> runtime/common/RTOS.i3, thread/POSIX/ThreadPosix.m3,<BR> thread/PTHREAD/ThreadF.i3, thread/PTHREAD/ThreadPThread.m3,<BR> thread/PTHREAD/ThreadPThreadC.c, thread/PTHREAD/ThreadPThreadC.i3,<BR> thread/WIN32/ThreadWin32.m3:<BR><BR> Clean up RTOS.LockHeap/RTOS.UnlockHeap implementations to better match underlying pthread semantics.<BR> This means that RTOS.WaitHeap must be called while RTOS.LockHeap is held.<BR> RTOS.BroadcastHeap can be called whether RTOS.LockHeap is held or not.<BR><BR>2009-02-16 02:02 hosking<BR><BR> * m3-libs/m3core/src/runtime/common/RTHeapMap.i3:<BR><BR> Expose DoWalkRef.<BR><BR><BR> - Jay<BR><BR> <BR>
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From: hosking@cs.purdue.edu<BR>To: jay.krell@cornell.edu<BR>Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 22:21:44 -0400<BR>CC: m3devel@elegosoft.com<BR>Subject: Re: [M3devel] [M3commit] CVS Update: cm3<BR><BR>
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<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; FONT-SIZE: 10pt" class=EC_EC_hmmessage>They aren't really in Trestle or ThreadWin32.<BR>Well, right, often they are in ThreadWin32.<BR>But not always.<BR>I think it is, like, classic heap/stack corruption, via non-classic "locking not working" and gc moving stuff when it shouldn't.<BR>I don't have good evidence, but it usually NOT a hang/deadlock or assertion failure, it is usually an access violation (aka SEGSIGV) which as I understand must be the result of bugs in unsafe code.<BR><BR>I did narrow it down a 30 minute window.<BR><BR> - Jay<BR><BR><BR>
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<DIV>Will any of this make any difference on Windows platform?</DIV>
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<DIV>I tried a couple of days ago to update all sources and rebuild. Both Juno and Mentor still crash on both XP and Vista. If you run multiple times, you get different crash results. (So much for deterministic behavior.) Let me know if there is anything I can do to help debug/test.</DIV>
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