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-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0000FF" face="'Gill Sans'">I was really just asking what the Interix target was good for. Windows users will want Windows integration, right? Rather than the Interix hybrid...</font></span></div></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></div></span></span>
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<br><div><div>On 30 Nov 2009, at 11:05, <a href="mailto:hendrik@topoi.pooq.com">hendrik@topoi.pooq.com</a> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 09:48:48AM -0500, Tony Hosking wrote:<br><blockquote type="cite">This whole interix thing is pretty messy. Why do we care? If you are on Windows just use Windows threads. No need to pollute the pthreads code base with unnecessary complications for weird hybrids.<br></blockquote><br>There seems to be a campaign to make all OS's behave the same to the <br>lowest possible code level. The only way to do that is to restrict <br>ourselves to a subset of their facilities that all share. I suspect <br>this is too restrictive. For popular platforms, at least, we should be <br>open to implement Modula 3 library features in a way that takes <br>advantage of those platforms peculiar abilities -- provided that the <br>library-user facilities remain compatible of course.<br><br>That said, Windows is a popular platform that I have no use for (Windows <br>won't even install on my most-used machine -- for some obscure reason <br>it will only run in maintenance mode; my daughter says the machine is <br>corsed). The only thing I need Windows for is writing programs that <br>are to uised by other people. For that purpose, I do care that any <br>Modula 3 applications I write can be cross-compiled (ideally) and <br>immediately run properly on Windows without modification.<br><br>But I suspect that is too much to expect in the real world, even with <br>the uncanny competence with which Modula 3 system is put togeter.<br><br>-- hendrik<br><br><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">On 30 Nov 2009, at 13:03, Jay Krell wrote:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">CVSROOT:<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>/usr/cvs<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Changes by:<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>jkrell@birch.<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>09/11/30 13:03:07<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Modified files:<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>cm3/m3-libs/m3core/src/thread/PTHREAD/: ThreadPThread.m3 <br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Log message:<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>keep two thread handles<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>what to call them is unclear<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>here we ahve:<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>joinHandle<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>suspendResumeHandle<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>aka:<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>pthread<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>ntthread<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>on all but Interix (and possibly Cygwin), they are equivalent,<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>either the result of pthread_create or pthread_self<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>on Interix, once is pthread_create/self, the other is a kernel handle<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>for suspend/resume<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>alternate names welcome<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>the intent seems hoky, but helps much<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></div></blockquote></div><br></body></html>