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Interest in Interix would probably track similarly with interest in Cygwin.<BR>
They each have pluses and minuses.<BR>
Interix in particular has a "normal" fast fork and is therefore far less unpleasant to use, esp. building m3cc.<BR>
(Tip for Interix users: "net stop beep". I find Interix beeps a lot and the volume can't be controlled or muted (using the normal methods), such as when tab doesn't have anything to complete, etc.)<BR>
<BR> - Jay<BR><BR> <BR>
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From: hosking@cs.purdue.edu<BR>Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 13:21:39 -0500<BR>To: hendrik@topoi.pooq.com<BR>CC: m3devel@elegosoft.com<BR>Subject: Re: [M3devel] [M3commit] CVS Update: cm3<BR><BR>
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<DIV><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: medium" class=ecxApple-style-span><FONT class=ecxApple-style-span color=#0000ff face="'Gill Sans'">I was really just asking what the Interix target was good for. Windows users will want Windows integration, right? Rather than the Interix hybrid...</FONT></SPAN></DIV></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></DIV></SPAN></SPAN></DIV><BR>
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<DIV>On 30 Nov 2009, at 11:05, <A href="mailto:hendrik@topoi.pooq.com">hendrik@topoi.pooq.com</A> wrote:</DIV><BR class=ecxApple-interchange-newline>
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<DIV>On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 09:48:48AM -0500, Tony Hosking wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>This whole interix thing is pretty messy. Why do we care? If you are on Windows just use Windows threads. No need to pollute the pthreads code base with unnecessary complications for weird hybrids.<BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>There seems to be a campaign to make all OS's behave the same to the <BR>lowest possible code level. The only way to do that is to restrict <BR>ourselves to a subset of their facilities that all share. I suspect <BR>this is too restrictive. For popular platforms, at least, we should be <BR>open to implement Modula 3 library features in a way that takes <BR>advantage of those platforms peculiar abilities -- provided that the <BR>library-user facilities remain compatible of course.<BR><BR>That said, Windows is a popular platform that I have no use for (Windows <BR>won't even install on my most-used machine -- for some obscure reason <BR>it will only run in maintenance mode; my daughter says the machine is <BR>corsed). The only thing I need Windows for is writing programs that <BR>are to uised by other people. For that purpose, I do care that any <BR>Modula 3 applications I write can be cross-compiled (ideally) and <BR>immediately run properly on Windows without modification.<BR><BR>But I suspect that is too much to expect in the real world, even with <BR>the uncanny competence with which Modula 3 system is put togeter.<BR><BR>-- hendrik<BR><BR>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>On 30 Nov 2009, at 13:03, Jay Krell wrote:<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>Changes by:<SPAN style="WHITE-SPACE: pre" class=ecxApple-tab-span> </SPAN>jkrell@birch.<SPAN style="WHITE-SPACE: pre" class=ecxApple-tab-span> </SPAN>09/11/30 13:03:07<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<BLOCKQUOTE><SPAN style="WHITE-SPACE: pre" class=ecxApple-tab-span></SPAN>cm3/m3-libs/m3core/src/thread/PTHREAD/: ThreadPThread.m3 <BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<BLOCKQUOTE><SPAN style="WHITE-SPACE: pre" class=ecxApple-tab-span></SPAN>keep two thread handles<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<BLOCKQUOTE><SPAN style="WHITE-SPACE: pre" class=ecxApple-tab-span></SPAN>what to call them is unclear<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<BLOCKQUOTE><SPAN style="WHITE-SPACE: pre" class=ecxApple-tab-span></SPAN>here we ahve:<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<BLOCKQUOTE><SPAN style="WHITE-SPACE: pre" class=ecxApple-tab-span></SPAN>aka:<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<BLOCKQUOTE><SPAN style="WHITE-SPACE: pre" class=ecxApple-tab-span></SPAN>on all but Interix (and possibly Cygwin), they are equivalent,<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<BLOCKQUOTE><SPAN style="WHITE-SPACE: pre" class=ecxApple-tab-span></SPAN>either the result of pthread_create or pthread_self<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<BLOCKQUOTE><SPAN style="WHITE-SPACE: pre" class=ecxApple-tab-span></SPAN>on Interix, once is pthread_create/self, the other is a kernel handle<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<BLOCKQUOTE><SPAN style="WHITE-SPACE: pre" class=ecxApple-tab-span></SPAN>alternate names welcome<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<BLOCKQUOTE><SPAN style="WHITE-SPACE: pre" class=ecxApple-tab-span></SPAN>the intent seems hoky, but helps much<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
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