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From: jay.krell@cornell.edu<BR>To: rcoleburn@scires.com; m3devel@elegosoft.com<BR>Subject: RE: [M3devel] FW: Win32/ScrollerVBTClass.m3<BR>Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 05:13:09 +0000<BR><BR>
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Randy, I get the feeling that Modula-3 was ahead of its time..but is it still?<BR>I wasn't complaining that it took you 11 years, just that you'd have to be careful merging in such old stuff.<BR>It's possible the other fork had changed a lot..though it appears<BR>
it hadn't.<BR> Were you given the common base -- the unmodified file this was derived from -- or just left to diff it against 3.6 or 4.1?<BR> <BR> <BR>Do you know by chance if mentor worked or when it did?<BR>I was going to test RC2/3/4 here, but 1) some of the links are broken 2) even if they weren't, there's no "all" package to download, inconvenient. I rather suspect they are all broken here. But it could be "timing related" -- like, depend on when things appear on the screen or something..not sure what was NIL but I kind of suspect it might follow from things not displaying yet.<BR> <BR> <BR>Again the posix and win32 code appears largely the same. Maybe the two files could be merged in order to share the parts that are in fact the same? Giving us maybe less code to maintain?<BR>I know, it can go both ways. Sometimes in order to "merge" somewhat different code you have to "mess it up" with confusing "ifs", where splitting into two can lead to simpler code. It depends on the exact code and is subjective.<BR> <BR> <BR> - Jay<BR> <BR><BR>
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Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 00:12:21 -0500<BR>From: rcoleburn@scires.com<BR>To: jay.krell@cornell.edu; m3devel@elegosoft.com<BR>Subject: Re: [M3devel] FW: Win32/ScrollerVBTClass.m3<BR><BR><BR>
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<DIV>Jay:</DIV>
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<DIV>You would get opposition from anyone who likes Trestle and FormsVBT. Really, the concepts, simplicity, and extensibility of Trestle/FormsVBT are very good and probably ahead of their time in terms of the then current state of commercial practice.</DIV>
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<DIV>Ditching Trestle would not bode well for any of the work I've done. I have a lot of cm3 code that runs on both Unix X-Windows and on Windows without any application source modification.</DIV>
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<DIV>Indeed, having a GUI that worked on both types of platforms was one of the main selling points/features of the work we did in Modula-3 back in the late 90's.</DIV>
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<DIV>Also, to follow up on my prior response, one of the reasons it took 11 years for me to incorporate the Win32 customizations had to do with licensing and also with standing up the repository after the demise of the commercial cm3 venture. Not much had been done to these sources over the 11 years. Mainly, I think most of the changes had to do with stuff that came out of PM3 and some bug fixes. So, I had to get back into this code and do a real merge/integration effort taking care not to break anything.</DIV>
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<DIV>Regards,</DIV>
<DIV>Randy<BR><BR>>>> Jay K <jay.krell@cornell.edu> 12/12/2009 10:46 PM >>><BR>eh, actually zchassis 3.6 matches current posix zchassis except for whitespace.<BR>scrollertvbtclass is pretty close, though current adds "shadows".<BR>Maybe we're ok in practise, but I still don't like it.<BR> <BR>(Really I'd love to ditch Trestle in favor of Qt or such, but I have this nagging<BR>feeling that Trestle reinvents far more than most other gui libraries.)<BR> <BR> - Jay<BR> <BR></DIV>
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<DIV>From: jay.krell@cornell.edu<BR>To: rcoleburn@scires.com; m3devel@elegosoft.com<BR>Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 03:41:25 +0000<BR>Subject: [M3devel] FW: Win32/ScrollerVBTClass.m3<BR><BR>
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2008-05-27 02:29 rcoleburn<BR><BR> * m3-ui/vbtkit/src/: lego/m3makefile, vbtkitresources/ScrollBg,<BR> vbtkitresources/close.ppm, vbtkitresources/down.ppm,<BR> vbtkitresources/grow.ppm, vbtkitresources/left.ppm,<BR> vbtkitresources/m3makefile, vbtkitresources/right.ppm,<BR> vbtkitresources/up.ppm, lego/POSIX/ScrollerVBTClass.m3,<BR> lego/POSIX/ZChassisVBT.m3, lego/POSIX/m3makefile,<BR> vbtkitutils/m3makefile, lego/WIN32/ScrollerVBTClass.m3,<BR> lego/WIN32/ZChassisVBT.m3, lego/WIN32/m3makefile,<BR> vbtkitutils/POSIX/VBTKitEnv.i3, vbtkitutils/POSIX/m3makefile,<BR> vbtkitutils/WIN32/VBTKitEnv.i3, vbtkitutils/WIN32/m3makefile:<BR><BR> Incorporate changes made to vbtkit by Critical Mass circa September 1997 that make the GUI appearance more like that of Windows. The m3makefiles have been adjusted so that these changes affect only Windows (WIN32) platforms. These changes were part of work sponsored by Randy Coleburn at Scientific Research Corporation (SRC). The main files affected are VBTKitEnv.i3, ScrollerVBTClass.m3, and ZChassisVBT.m3, plus some new resource files have been added for WIN32 only.<BR><BR><BR>Randy, are files from 1997 really correct to incorporate into the tree 11 years later? Or maybe they are rather out of date?<BR>Can the work be redone against the 2008 versions? And factor out the common parts?<BR> <BR>I guess I should go and diff these against the 3.6 or 4.1 versions?<BR>And then apply those diffs to the Posix file to get the Win32 version?<BR>(Or again, try to share what is the same?)<BR> <BR> <BR> - Jay<BR> <BR>> Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 04:37:34 +0000<BR>> To: m3commit@elegosoft.com<BR>> From: jkrell@elego.de<BR>> Subject: [M3commit] CVS Update: cm3<BR>> <BR>> CVSROOT: /usr/cvs<BR>> Changes by: jkrell@birch. 09/12/13 04:37:34<BR>> <BR>> Modified files:<BR>> cm3/m3-ui/vbtkit/src/lego/: Tag: release_branch_cm3_5_8 <BR>> m3makefile <BR>> cm3/m3-ui/vbtkit/src/lego/WIN32/: Tag: release_branch_cm3_5_8 <BR>> ScrollerVBTClass.m3 <BR>> <BR>> Log message:<BR>> I forgot to mention: I'm really just guessing here. It seems to work.<BR>> <BR></DIV> </body>
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