
<html><head><base href="x-msg://638/"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div>What do you mean by "files"?  You are conflating OS "files" with Modula-3 Rd/Wr.T.  They are not necessarily the same.  Modula-3 is designed to be OS-independent.  As you are already aware, some systems have only 32-bit addressable files.</div><div><br></div><div>If we go the route you suggest then LONGINT will escape from a few isolated uses into the rest of the system.  This seems overkill.  With Rd/Wr.Length typed as INTEGER then on 64-bit systems you will have 64-bit addressable files.  Elsewhere, 32-bit.</div><div><br></div><div>I am really starting to think the addition of LONGINT was a big mistake.</div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: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der"></div><div>-- Tony</div><br><div><div>On 7 Jan 2010, at 12:26, Jay K wrote:</div><br class="ecxApple-interchange-newline"><blockquote><span class="ecxApple-style-span" style="text-transform: none; text-indent: 0px; border-collapse: separate; font: normal normal normal medium/normal Helvetica; white-space: normal; letter-spacing: normal; word-spacing: 0px; "><div class="ecxhmmessage" style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 10pt; ">> Not in the current release<br><br>Agreed.<br><br><br>I think I'll have this done in the next few days, with the<br>major caveat that it does break a lot of code. I'll fix the cm3 tree.<br><br><br>The breakage is roughly:<br><br><br>rd/wr users:<br>before:<br>  a := Rd.Length(b);<br>  c := Rd.Index(b);<br>  Rd.Seek(b, d);<br><br><br>after:<br>  a := ORD(Rd.Length(b));<br>  c := ORD(Rd.Index(b));<br>  Rd.Seek(b, VAL(d, LONGINT));<br><br><br>Though I think the last line should just work without change.<br><br><br>rd/wr implementers:<br> more substantial changes, but still similar, lots of ORD/VAL, and "L".<br><br><br>One more compatible alternative might be to add LengthL, IndexL, SeekL?<br>Maybe only break rd/wr implementers but not users?<br><br><br>The reason I don't like that though is that it is even more of a no-op.<br>Nobody will switch to the new functions.<br>Similar to how "today" everybody will just ORD/VAL over the difference.<br><br><br>To be clear though, the time for this change was 10 or 20 years ago.<br>Now, 32bit systems are going away and with them this problem.<br>(Amazingly, some 64bit systems still have 32bit time_t, like I think OpenBSD..)<br><br><br> - Jay<br><br><br>> Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 14:52:10 +0100<br>> From:<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:wagner@elegosoft.com">wagner@elegosoft.com</a><br>> To:<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:m3devel@elegosoft.com">m3devel@elegosoft.com</a><br>> Subject: Re: [M3devel] what to do about file sizes being 32bits?<br>><span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> Quoting<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:hendrik@topoi.pooq.com">hendrik@topoi.pooq.com</a>:<br>><span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> > On Thu, Jan 07, 2010 at 06:59:31AM +0000, Jay K wrote:<br>> >><br>> >> File.i3:<br>> >><br>> >><br>> >> Status = RECORD<br>> >> type: Type;<br>> >> modificationTime: Time.T;<br>> >> size: CARDINAL (* oops... *)<br>> >> END;<br>> >><br>> >><br>> >> What to do?<br>> >> [0.. higher than 7FFFFFFF] doesn't "just work".<br>> >> higher than 7FFFFFFFF is not legal on 32bit, unless you put "L"<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> >> on the end,<br>> >> which presumably has some relationship to turning it into a<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> >> LONGINT, which<br>> >> causes users to fail to compile<br>> ><br>> > In any case, is the proper type for file offsets [0..7fffffffffffffff]<br>> > or [0..ffffffffffffffff]? I suspect the latter. It might take some<br>> > effort to make that legal in Modula 3.<br>><span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> Well, I don't think that should be any practical problem right now,<br>> shouldn't it? But 32 bit offsets have been overcome for years even<br>> on 32 bit systems, so I definitely think we should keep the LONGINT<br>> type and even try to incompatibly change the internal file length<br>> type (with due care and consideration of course).<br>><span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> And please not for the still unfinished release, but for the next<br>> one.<br>><span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> Olaf<br>> --<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> Olaf Wagner -- elego Software Solutions GmbH<br>> Gustav-Meyer-Allee 25 / Geb�ude 12, 13355 Berlin, Germany<br>> phone:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><skype:span id="softomate_v3_highlight_2" class="skype_v3_tb_injection" title="Call this phone number in Germany with Skype: +493023458696" context="+49 30 23 45 86 96" type=".flex" skypeid="2" skypeaction="call" nof="" isfax="" freecall="" fwidth=".w16" mode=".compat" path="file://C:/Users/jay/Temp/__SkypeIEToolbar_Cache/e70d95847a8f5723cfca6b3fd9946506/static/" durex2="%DADDYHEIGHT%" durex="%DADDYWIDTH%"><skype:span id="skype_v3_tb_droppart_2" class="skype_v3_tb_imgA" title="Skype actions" skypeid="2" skypeaction="drop" skypesms="0" style="background-image: url(file://C:/Users/jay/Temp/__SkypeIEToolbar_Cache/e70d95847a8f5723cfca6b3fd9946506/static/inactive_a.compat.flex.w16.gif); "><skype:span id="skype_v3_tb_img_f2" class="skype_v3_tb_imgFlag" style="background-image: url(file://C:/Users/jay/Temp/__SkypeIEToolbar_Cache/e70d95847a8f5723cfca6b3fd9946506/static/famfamfam/DE.gif); "></skype:span></skype:span><skype:span id="skype_v3_tb_img_s2" class="skype_v3_tb_imgS"></skype:span><skype:span id="skype_v3_tb_text2" class="skype_v3_tb_injectionIn"><skype:span id="skype_v3_tb_innerText2" class="skyp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