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<br><div><div>On 15 Jan 2010, at 16:45, Coleburn, Randy wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div class="Section1"><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Jay:<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Not sure about your statement that recent cm3.exe can’t be used to bootstrap new compiler.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">I haven’t done an update in last 2 days, but up until then, I’ve been using my then current cm3.exe to bootstrap the new stuff on Windows without any trouble.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Are you saying that if I get current update (I’m only a couple of days out of sync with HEAD) that I won’t be able to bootstrap anymore?<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Randy Coleburn<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div><div style="border-right-style: none; border-bottom-style: none; border-left-style: none; border-width: initial; border-color: initial; border-top-style: solid; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); border-top-width: 1pt; padding-top: 3pt; padding-right: 0in; padding-bottom: 0in; padding-left: 0in; "><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; ">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:jayk123@hotmail.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">jayk123@hotmail.com</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[mailto:jayk123@hotmail.com]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Jay K<br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Friday, January 15, 2010 4:34 PM<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Tony<br><b>Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>m3devel;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:m3commit@elegosoft.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">m3commit@elegosoft.com</a><br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [M3commit] [M3devel] WebFile/QScanner use of File.T.status().size (64bit file size on 32bit platform)<o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><o:p> </o:p></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; ">We were in a state where neither m3core nor cm3/m3quake could be built with old tools/libraries.<br>That is more ok for m3core, less ok for cm3/m3quake.<br>As well, m3core also couldn't be built with recent but slightly old compiler.<br> See, I didn't remove the use of LONGINT, just the use of VAL(LONGINT, INTEGER).<br> As well, maybe cm3/m3quake couldn't be built with recent tools/libraries.<br> <br> <br>The sysutils/m3quake/cm3 changes should stand?<br>Ok removing "32" from the name and letting it return >4GB on 64bit platforms.<br>But I think either it can't use libm3.File.T.status().size, OR we have to<br>make status().size more compatible such as by introducing statusL or sizeL.<br>32bit code wouldn't see >4GB file sizes unless actively changed.<br>Maybe not a bad idea.<br> <br> <br> - Jay<br><br> <o:p></o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; text-align: center; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; "><hr size="2" width="100%" align="center" id="stopSpelling"></span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; ">From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:hosking@cs.purdue.edu" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">hosking@cs.purdue.edu</a><br>Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 16:17:15 -0500<br>To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:jay.krell@cornell.edu" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">jay.krell@cornell.edu</a><br>CC:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:m3devel@elegosoft.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">m3devel@elegosoft.com</a>;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:m3commit@elegosoft.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">m3commit@elegosoft.com</a><br>Subject: Re: [M3devel] WebFile/QScanner use of File.T.status().size (64bit file size on 32bit platform)<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span class="ecxapple-style-span"><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; color: black; ">On 15 Jan 2010, at 15:57, Jay K wrote:</span></span><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; color: black; "><o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div></div><div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt; "><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; ">I at least did move the hacks to one place.<br>I agree it isn't nice.<br>This is due to my changes, not yours -- changing File.T.status().size to LONGINT.<br>There's no way to use that in the "compiler" and still support old compiler/libm3, right?<o:p></o:p></span></div></div></blockquote><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; ">RIght. Except we should not try to maintain compatibility between among trunk versions. If you want to build as of a particular version then use libraries that match that version.<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; ">My next set of commits for LONGCARD make this even more critical because the library has hardwired stuff that that makes it require a particular version of the compiler to compile it. ;-)<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt; "><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; ">Ok now that I centralized it to sysutils?<br> <br> <br>Leave status() alone as using INTEGER and introduce statusL()?<br> <br> <br>Or leave size alone and introduce sizeL?<br> That's not a complete solution because you have to set size to something.<br> -1 if it doesn't fit?<br> <br> <br>Or just get past the bootstrapping and put it back using VAL?<o:p></o:p></span></div></div></blockquote><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; ">Yes.<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt; "><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; ">It seems a tough situation..the compiler is otherwise I believe<br>very compatible with old compiler/libm3.<o:p></o:p></span></div></div></blockquote><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; ">It very soon will not be.<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt; "><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; "> <br> <br> - Jay<br><br> <br>> From:<span class="ecxapple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:hosking@cs.purdue.edu" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">hosking@cs.purdue.edu</a><br>> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 10:13:06 -0500<br>> To:<span class="ecxapple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:jkrell@elego.de" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">jkrell@elego.de</a><br>> CC:<span class="ecxapple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:m3commit@elegosoft.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">m3commit@elegosoft.com</a><br>> Subject: Re: [M3commit] CVS Update: cm3<br>><span class="ecxapple-converted-space"> </span><br>> Jay, all of these changes seem unnecessary (and worse, clutter the source with a variety of hacks). I had no problem building against both versions of m3core and libm3 in order to bootstrap a new compiler. What is going on here?<br>><span class="ecxapple-converted-space"> </span><br>> On 15 Jan 2010, at 14:41, Jay Krell wrote:<br>><span class="ecxapple-converted-space"> </span><br>> > CVSROOT: /usr/cvs<br>> > Changes by: jkrell@birch. 10/01/15 14:41:00<br>> ><span class="ecxapple-converted-space"> </span><br>> > Modified files:<br>> > cm3/m3-sys/m3quake/src/: QCompiler.m3 QScanner.i3 QScanner.m3<span class="ecxapple-converted-space"> </span><br>> > m3makefile<span class="ecxapple-converted-space"> </span><br>> > Added files:<br>> > cm3/m3-sys/m3quake/src/: QScannerC.c<span class="ecxapple-converted-space"> </span><br>> ><span class="ecxapple-converted-space"> </span><br>> > Log message:<br>> > m3quake also can't use libm3 File.T.status().size and be compatible<br>> > with both old and new libm3 (INTEGER vs. LONGINT)<br>><span class="ecxapple-converted-space"> </span><o:p></o:p></span></div></div></blockquote></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div></div></div></span></blockquote></div><br></body></html>