<html><head><base href="x-msg://750/"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Ergo: let's get M3 integrated with Eclipse. Unfortunately, adding new languages properly to Eclipse is a painful process.<div><br>
<br><div><div>On Feb 18, 2011, at 7:55 AM, Jay K wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><div class="hmmessage" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; "><pre> > A language and its implementation in a compiler does not necessarily<br> > require a full-fledged intergrated development environment like Eclipse.<br><br><br>Programmers today are not used to using plain text editors.<br>They are used to wizards and intellisense.<br>It would take a lot of work I think to make Modula-3<br>at all usable to any programmer under 30 years old.<br>Even older folks have largely become spoiled.<br><br> - Jay<br></pre>> Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 09:40:14 +0100<br>> From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:wagner@elegosoft.com">wagner@elegosoft.com</a><br>> To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:zeev.blu@gmail.com">zeev.blu@gmail.com</a><br>> CC:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:m3devel@elegosoft.com">m3devel@elegosoft.com</a>;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:m3-support@elego.de">m3-support@elego.de</a>;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:moriah.moshe@gmail.com">moriah.moshe@gmail.com</a><br>> Subject: Re: [M3devel] cm3-ide<br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> Quoting זאב בלומנצויג <<a href="mailto:zeev.blu@gmail.com">zeev.blu@gmail.com</a>>:<br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> > Hi,<br>> > First, thanks for the quick reply.<br>> ><br>> > I have tried to use the file you gave me, and some other files from that<br>> > site.<br>> > I have some questions:<br>> > 1. If I understand correctly, the method of working with this compiler is<br>> > through the CMD in WINDOWS. Is not this language a IDE to work with?<br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> A language and its implementation in a compiler does not necessarily<br>> require a full-fledged intergrated development environment like Eclipse.<br>> My faourite IDE when I was actively using M3 was always XEmacs :-)<br>> There _is_ a web-based cm3-ide (which should be contained in that<br>> archive) that allows you to build and manage your projects with a<br>> standard web browser, but that might be quite different from your<br>> expectations of an IDE, too ;-)<br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> > 2. When I tried to compile , I got a linking error:<br>> ><br>> > " link is not recognized as an internal or external command, operable<br>> > program or batch file."<br>> ><br>> > And then another error:<br>> ><br>> > "... \cm3 \ bin \ cm3.cfg ", line 455: quake runtime error: link failed "<br>> ><br>> > And finally I received:<br>> ><br>> > " Fatal Error: procedure "m3_link" defined in "... \ cm3 \ bin \ cm3.cfg"<br>> > failed. "<br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> You either missed the installation of a suitable system linker as<br>> described in the "Windows installation notes" referred to below or<br>> you didn't set the appropriate variables in your environment or in<br>> the cm3 configuration files. CM3 does not include a system linker,<br>> and on Windows you have got to install one yourself, while on all<br>> other systems it usually is installed by default.<br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> You can use the cm3 option "-commands" to actually view the external<br>> commands the builder is calling.<br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> I hope this helps,<br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> Olaf<br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> > Thanks for your help<br>> ><br>> > zeev blumentzvaig<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > 2011/2/18 Olaf Wagner <<a href="mailto:wagner@elegosoft.com">wagner@elegosoft.com</a>><br>> ><br>> >> Quoting זאב בלומנצויג <<a href="mailto:zeev.blu@gmail.com">zeev.blu@gmail.com</a>>:<br>> >><br>> >> Hi,<br>> >>> I am a student of Software Engineering.<br>> >>> I want to learn the language modula-3 and I'm trying to install IDE on my<br>> >>> computer.<br>> >>> I have windows 7 operating system and I can not find any suitable<br>> >>> installation file.<br>> >>> Do you have appropriate file or instructions how to do it on another<br>> >>> system?<br>> >>> I need it for exercise in school and I'd love it if you could help me.<br>> >>> Thank you.<br>> >>> zeev blumentzvaig<br>> >>><br>> >><br>> >> What exactly have you tried already?<br>> >><br>> >> The archive for Windows listed on<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://www.opencm3.net/download.html">http://www.opencm3.net/download.html</a>,<br>> >><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://www.opencm3.net/cm3-min-WIN32-NT386-d5.5.0.zip">http://www.opencm3.net/cm3-min-WIN32-NT386-d5.5.0.zip</a>, should<br>> >> work for Windows 7, too, as far as I know. You simply need to<br>> >> unpack it and install a suitable linker, as described for example in<br>> >><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://www.opencm3.net/installation-windows.html">http://www.opencm3.net/installation-windows.html</a>.<br>> >><br>> >> In order to help you, we need to know exactly what you have done and<br>> >> what failed. I'm not an expert on Windows; others on the list may<br>> >> be able to help better, so I CC this to m3devel.<br>> >><br>> >> Olaf<br>> --<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> Olaf Wagner -- elego Software Solutions GmbH<br>> Gustav-Meyer-Allee 25 / Gebäude 12, 13355 Berlin, Germany<br>> phone: +49 30 23 45 86 96 mobile: +49 177 2345 869 fax: +49 30 23 45 86 95<br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://www.elegosoft.com">http://www.elegosoft.com</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>| Geschäftsführer: Olaf Wagner | Sitz: Berlin<br>> Handelregister: Amtsgericht Charlottenburg HRB 77719 | USt-IdNr: DE163214194<br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br></div></span></blockquote></div><br></div></body></html>