<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;">Hi all:<br>I hope sincerely it will, but without knowing that both platforms worked ill I think then the source of the problem yeah is on itself, not in its implicit implications which as far as I can see are not that much proved, but hopefully when we get to the specification of interfaces can make it test it better or plausible.<br>I hope my understanding improves with this discussion going on. Thanks for that.<br>Thanks in advance.<br><br>--- El <b>vie, 15/7/11, Coleburn, Randy <i><rcolebur@SCIRES.COM></i></b> escribió:<br><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><br>De: Coleburn, Randy <rcolebur@SCIRES.COM><br>Asunto: Re: [M3devel] LONGINT problem?<br>Para: "Ken Durocher" <kcdurocher@gmail.com><br>CC: "m3devel" <m3devel@elegosoft.com><br>Fecha: viernes, 15 de julio,
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<div>Ken:</div>
<div><font face="tahoma">With all due respect, I don't think Daniel is on the right track.</font></div>
<div><font face="tahoma">I note that one of our developers checked in a fix that may solve your problem.</font></div>
<div><font face="tahoma">There seems to have been a problem in formatting the output where certain digits got messed up.</font></div>
<div><font face="tahoma">Try updating your system with this new fix and run your program again. It may solve your problem.</font></div>
<div><font face="tahoma">Regards,</font></div>
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<font color="#000000" face="Tahoma" size="2"><b>From:</b> Ken Durocher [kcdurocher@gmail.com]<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, July 15, 2011 5:53 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Daniel Alejandro Benavides D.<br>
<b>Cc:</b> m3devel; Coleburn, Randy<br>
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<div>I just checekd, and I can confirm that the LONGINT version of the code produces INCORRECT results on a 32 bit system, as well as a 64 bit system. Both are running Linux, with cm3 5.8.6<br>
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<div class="yiv524459872gmail_quote">On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 8:30 PM, Daniel Alejandro Benavides D.
<span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:dabenavidesd@yahoo.es" target="_blank" href="/mc/compose?to=dabenavidesd@yahoo.es">dabenavidesd@yahoo.es</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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the problem as I see is that your program isn't typed for any platform in specific just to give you the best answer, then I would stick to the original and track down the source of the problem (this is very point of type checking, and e.g extended static checking
if I may say so, the need to verify your statements, the other approach is too cumbersome, i.e make it believe it works when it doesn't). IMHO this a symptom of UNSAFE type checking problem, rather of programming or programmer error.<br>
I hope to be clarified about this, as far as I know LONGINT isn't INTEGER but a bigger or equal type (a bigger INTEGER) which translates better to be a super type, since it isn't I wonder why is that needed a different type checker for that (we can transform
INTEGER to be the true super type and LONGINT to be a subtype), can't we make the same checking and just range check everything else (so it doesn't bother to rewrite every platform code, a bad symptom certainly, yet I approve the change in the language SPEC
but not its type checking).<br>
Thanks in advance<br>
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--- El <b>jue, 14/7/11, Coleburn, Randy <i><<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:rcolebur@SCIRES.COM" target="_blank" href="/mc/compose?to=rcolebur@SCIRES.COM">rcolebur@SCIRES.COM</a>></i></b> escribió:<br>
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De: Coleburn, Randy <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:rcolebur@SCIRES.COM" target="_blank" href="/mc/compose?to=rcolebur@SCIRES.COM">rcolebur@SCIRES.COM</a>><br>
Asunto: Re: [M3devel] LONGINT problem?<br>
Para: "m3devel" <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:m3devel@elegosoft.com" target="_blank" href="/mc/compose?to=m3devel@elegosoft.com">m3devel@elegosoft.com</a>>, "Ken Durocher" <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:kcdurocher@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="/mc/compose?to=kcdurocher@gmail.com">kcdurocher@gmail.com</a>><br>
Fecha: jueves, 14 de julio, 2011 18:15
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<p><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 11pt;">Ken:</span></p>
<p><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 11pt;"></span> </p>
<p><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 11pt;">On what platform (OS and CPU) are you building and running your Modula-3 program?</span></p>
<p><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 11pt;"></span> </p>
<p><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 11pt;">Support for LONGINT is a relatively new addition to CM3, so it is possible that something is broken. Perhaps your program can help us track it down.
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<p><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 11pt;">I haven’t checked thru your program yet, but the fact that it gives the right answer using INTEGER, but not when using LONGINT, seems to point to the LONGINT implementation as a potential problem source
we should investigate.</span></p>
<p><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 11pt;"></span> </p>
<p><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 11pt;">Regards,</span></p>
<p><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 11pt;">Randy Coleburn</span></p>
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<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> Ken Durocher [mailto:<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:kcdurocher@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="/mc/compose?to=kcdurocher@gmail.com">kcdurocher@gmail.com</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 14, 2011 7:00 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Jay K<br>
<b>Cc:</b> m3devel<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [M3devel] LONGINT problem?</span></p>
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<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;">Sorry, to clarify, the LONGINT code does NOT give the correct output, but the INTEGER code DOES.</p>
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<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;">I did not write this C code, but it's output is the same as all the other examples (there is a Java example too, if you want that):</p>
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<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;">#include <stdio.h></p>
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<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;">#include <stdlib.h></p>
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<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;">#include <stdint.h></p>
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<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;"> </p>
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<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;">/* should be 64-bit integers if going over 1 billion */</p>
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<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;">typedef unsigned long xint;</p>
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<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;">#define FMT "%lu"</p>
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<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;"> </p>
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<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;">xint total, prim, max_peri;</p>
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<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;">xint U[][9] = {{ 1, -2, 2, 2, -1, 2, 2, -2, 3},</p>
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<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><span> </span>{ 1, 2, 2, 2, 1, 2, 2, 2, 3},</p>
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<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><span> </span>{-1, 2, 2, -2, 1, 2, -2, 2, 3}};</p>
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<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;"> </p>
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<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;">void new_tri(xint in[])</p>
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<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;">{</p>
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<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><span> </span>int i;</p>
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<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><span> </span>xint t[3], p = in[0] + in[1] + in[2];</p>
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<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;"> </p>
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<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><span> </span>if (p > max_peri) return;</p>
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<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;"> </p>
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<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><span> </span>prim ++;</p>
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<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;"> </p>
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<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><span> </span>/* for every primitive triangle, its multiples would be right-angled too;</p>
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<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><span> </span>* count them up to the max perimeter */</p>
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<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><span> </span>total += max_peri / p;</p>
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<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;"> </p>
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<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><span> </span>/* recursively produce next tier by multiplying the matrices */</p>
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<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><span> </span>for (i = 0; i < 3; i++) {</p>
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<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><span> </span>t[0] = U[i][0] * in[0] + U[i][1] * in[1] + U[i][2] * in[2];</p>
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<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><span> </span>t[1] = U[i][3] * in[0] + U[i][4] * in[1] + U[i][5] * in[2];</p>
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<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><span> </span>t[2] = U[i][6] * in[0] + U[i][7] * in[1] + U[i][8] * in[2];</p>
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<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><span> </span>new_tri(t);</p>
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<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><span> </span>}</p>
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<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;">}</p>
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<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;"> </p>
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<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;">int main()</p>
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<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;">{</p>
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<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><span> </span>xint seed[3] = {3, 4, 5};</p>
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<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;"> </p>
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<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><span> </span>for (max_peri = 10; max_peri <= 100000000; max_peri *= 10) {</p>
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<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><span> </span>total = prim = 0;</p>
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<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><span> </span>new_tri(seed);</p>
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<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;"> </p>
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<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><span> </span>printf(<span>
</span>"Up to "FMT": "FMT" triples, "FMT" primitives.\n",</p>
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<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><span> </span>max_peri, total, prim);</p>
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<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><span> </span>}</p>
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<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><span> </span>return 0;</p>
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<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;">}</p>
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<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;">The output from that code is:</p>
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<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;">Up to 10: 0 triples, 0 primitives.</p>
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<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;">Up to 100: 17 triples, 7 primitives.</p>
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<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;">Up to 1000: 325 triples, 70 primitives.</p>
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<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;">Up to 10000: 4858 triples, 703 primitives.</p>
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<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;">Up to 100000: 64741 triples, 7026 primitives.</p>
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<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;">Up to 1000000: 808950 triples, 70229 primitives.</p>
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<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;">Up to 10000000: 9706567 triples, 702309 primitives.</p>
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<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;">Up to 100000000: 113236940 triples, 7023027 primitives.</p>
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<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;"> </p>
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<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;">Note this output corresponds with the INTEGER output.</p>
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<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;">On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 5:17 PM, Jay K <<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://mc/compose?to=jay.krell@cornell.edu">jay.krell@cornell.edu</a>> wrote:</p>
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<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0.5in; margin-right: 0in;">Can you isolate if the problem is the formating/printing, or if it is in the computation?<br>
i.e.:<br>
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Use "unsafe" and print out a little hex dump of the integer/longint variables?<br>
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As well, what does LONGINT on a 64bit machine do? Eh..well, it might work, it might not.<br>
Doesn't really matter. Let's focus on non-working 32bit machine with LONGINT.<br>
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Also, please confirm which is the right, i.e. by writing it in C.<br>
Also, maybe just try to format as unsigned/hex using the safe interfaces?<br>
Also, this will be good to add to our automated tests. Assuming it doesn't run too slowly.<br>
Assuming it reproduces for anyone else (sorry, a bit rude of me).<br>
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Later, thank you,<br>
- Jay<br>
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<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;">Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 16:26:05 -0500<br>
From: <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://mc/compose?to=kcdurocher@gmail.com">
kcdurocher@gmail.com</a><br>
To: <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://mc/compose?to=m3devel@elegosoft.com">
m3devel@elegosoft.com</a><br>
Subject: [M3devel] LONGINT problem?</p>
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I was writing a program to calculate "Pythagorean triples" recursively, and ran into a problem. Here's the program:</p>
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<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;">MODULE PyTriples EXPORTS Main;</p>
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<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;">IMPORT IO, Fmt;</p>
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<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;">VAR tcnt, pcnt, max, i: LONGINT;</p>
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<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;">PROCEDURE NewTriangle(a, b, c: LONGINT; VAR tcount, pcount: LONGINT) =</p>
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<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;"> VAR perim := a + b + c; </p>
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<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;"> BEGIN</p>
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<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;"> IF perim <= max THEN</p>
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<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;"> pcount := pcount + 1L;</p>
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<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;"> tcount := tcount + max DIV perim;</p>
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<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;"> NewTriangle(a-2L*b+2L*c, 2L*a-b+2L*c, 2L*a-2L*b+3L*c, tcount, pcount);</p>
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<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;"> NewTriangle(a+2L*b+2L*c, 2L*a+b+2L*c, 2L*a+2L*b+3L*c, tcount, pcount);</p>
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<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;"> NewTriangle(2L*b+2L*c-a, b+2L*c-2L*a, 2L*b+3L*c-2L*a, tcount, pcount);</p>
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<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;"> END;</p>
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<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;"> END NewTriangle;</p>
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<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;"> </p>
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<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;">BEGIN</p>
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<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;">i := 100L;</p>
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<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;">REPEAT</p>
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<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;"> tcnt := 0L;</p>
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<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;"> pcnt := 0L;</p>
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<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;"> NewTriangle(3L, 4L, 5L, tcnt, pcnt);</p>
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<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;"> IO.Put(Fmt.LongInt(i) & ": " & Fmt.LongInt(tcnt) & " Triples, " &</p>
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<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;"> Fmt.LongInt(pcnt) & " Primitives\n");</p>
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<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;"> i := i * 10L;</p>
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<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;">UNTIL i = 10000000L;</p>
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<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;"> </p>
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<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;">END PyTriples.</p>
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<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;">This outputs:</p>
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<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;">100: 17 Triples, 7 Primitives</p>
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<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;">1000: 325 Triples, 70 Primitives</p>
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<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;">10000: 0858 Triples, 703 Primitives</p>
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<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;">100000: 40701 Triples, 7024 Primitives</p>
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<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;">1000000: 808950 Triples, 70229 Primitives</p>
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<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;">However, if I just use INTEGER on a 64 bit machine, I get the proper output:</p>
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<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;">100: 17 Triples, 7 Primitives</p>
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<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;">1000: 325 Triples, 70 Primitives</p>
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<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;">10000: 4858 Triples, 703 Primitives</p>
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<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;">100000: 64741 Triples, 7026 Primitives</p>
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<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;">1000000: 808950 Triples, 70229 Primitives</p>
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<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;">Note how 10000 and 100000 are different. The code is literally exactly the same, only with LONGINT replaced by INTEGER.</p>
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