<font face="courier new,monospace">Hi Daniel.</font><div><font face="courier new,monospace"><br></font><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 6:47 PM, Daniel Alejandro Benavides D. <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dabenavidesd@yahoo.es">dabenavidesd@yahoo.es</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0"><tbody><tr><td valign="top" style="font:inherit">Hi all:<br>I think this is the question, I really don't like to quote, but as someone said, This is it!<br>
3. Java was planed to be the language of the Era (and it certainly was at the moment of its birth, objects, threads, exceptions, all from old school and newer ones like Modula-3, and nearer of NetObj)<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small; "> </span></td>
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4. Java sadly failed unfortunately due big birth of
Internet mainly due safety* but mainly by performance, let's be honest here (JVM were planeed to be in everywhere if you read its books)<br></td></tr></tbody></table></blockquote><div><br></div><div>this is just my personal opinion, I don't like java that much, but:</div>
<div><br></div><div>I don't think java failed at all.</div><div>many people use it.</div><div>it is available in many devices.</div><div>phones, etc.</div><div>it has industry suport and lots of documentation.</div><div>
it has a big userbase</div><div>it is taught in college, so you can expect more java programmers comming.</div><div><br></div><div>I don't think java is going anywhere.</div><div><br></div><div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0"><tbody><tr><td valign="top" style="font:inherit"><br>6. JavaScript code is becoming critical when it comes to smart TVs, low-end phones, </td></tr></tbody></table></blockquote>
<div><br></div><div>*which* low end smartphones?</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0"><tbody><tr>
<td valign="top" style="font:inherit">Then the
question is why it failed, and if so, why do they can fix it still (Google V8, etc), </td></tr></tbody></table></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>I also don't think javascript failed either.</div><div>it also has wide adoption, ti is installed in 97% of the computers of the world, it is many people's first contact with programming, and it has several implementations.</div>
<div><br></div><div>I also don't think javascript is going away any time soon now.</div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0"><tbody><tr><td valign="top" style="font:inherit">well, the idea is perhaps the one more or less of Modula-3, you can run code efficiently in UNSAFE code, </td></tr></tbody></table>
</blockquote><div><br></div><div>yeah, too bad the "new" Text library doesn't even work as intended, old programs break, and nobody gives a damn about it.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0"><tbody><tr><td valign="top" style="font:inherit">but most inner parts are safe, then, this is it, finally acknowledge that it's the Modula-3 security model, and secondly the computation model it's still not sound in terms of network models, </td>
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<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0"><tbody><tr><td valign="top" style="font:inherit">Modula-3 Obliq style is more oriented to LANs, but fortunately this is what I meant by Cloud VM that has fixed this two models.<br>
OK, if I am correct then this what happened with Modula-3, Java, JavaScript and that if completely finally acknowledge it (Obliq deserves and its precursors of course, Modula-3, mainly, but let's say Java in one way or another) of the most important credit.</td>
</tr></tbody></table></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I don't think a benchmark of programming languages is credit, but rather usebase and growth.</div><div><br></div><div>but this is just my opinion, others might think differently.</div>
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By denying it, they will cave more depth than of what they are now as they have brought us "their revolution", more way down.<br>Now, it was acknowledge the importance and recently more and more
of SPIN, specially its dynamic linker </td></tr></tbody></table></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>an m3 linker you say?</div><div>tell me more about it.</div><div><br></div><div>where can I find this m3 linker you speak of...</div>
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<td valign="top" style="font:inherit">to save the Modularity of JVM, but it was certainly <br>special to correct their lack of security, and use its fixed loader as its application (that is linker-loader):<br><a href="http://www.cs.cornell.edu/slk/papers/slk.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.cs.cornell.edu/slk/papers/slk.pdf</a><br>
<br>I would like to see a port and working of m3loader just to see where did they arrive to in DEC-SRC days, Jay are you still there? :)<br>I can bring it compile it but not too much after that (I'm a big fan of compilers, but missing interfaces and Modules problems is harder than to fix simple bugs). Jay is pretty fairly the guy at the dark corners of MS linkers and loaders, interesting as some one suggested recently to see it in a platform independent "dynamic-network-aware linker caller", uhm m3linker, well that's harder work than just to recompile in its native platform. But could be certainly a good work to do later.<br>
<br>Thanks in advance<br><br>PS: There is a important fact about SPIN OS,
that motivated by the above url of this description<br><br></td></tr></tbody></table></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>may we know what this "important fact" is or will we remain in ignorance?</div>
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