<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;">Hi all:<br>I meant that wherever you had that OS, either Acorn, Olivetti was the nest of the best programming language ever (well let's say for its time having in account that they planned it to be ten years ahead of the current use of that systems, say Java 1996), of course followed that it should be at the front some years ago (2006) and say that some parts were not released as today. <br>I see the business model as a consequence of the product not the market place, if it were so, then why they had the politics of something ahead of its time 5 to 10 years, it would be contradictory.<br>If you want to compare what you some OS companies are trying to do are not near of that, with Hypervisors, etc systems that would need 60 years of work of a man, and you already have that, why do you think they want to do so? <br>But the best is still unknown they worked
hard in UI toolkits, at Olivetti, collaborative Windowing systems, and that even that wasn't released as well, what does that mean, that nobody used it?<br>Thanks in advance<br><br><br>--- El <b>mar, 13/12/11, felipe valdez <i><dataf4l@gmail.com></i></b> escribió:<br><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><br>De: felipe valdez <dataf4l@gmail.com><br>Asunto: Re: [M3devel] Yet Another OS in Modula-3, AVOCA, in x-kernel<br>Para: "Daniel Alejandro Benavides D." <dabenavidesd@yahoo.es><br>Fecha: martes, 13 de diciembre, 2011 12:14<br><br><div id="yiv1693950106"><font face="courier new,monospace"><br></font><br><div class="yiv1693950106gmail_quote">On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 9:38 AM, Daniel Alejandro Benavides D. <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:dabenavidesd@yahoo.es" target="_blank" href="/mc/compose?to=dabenavidesd@yahoo.es">dabenavidesd@yahoo.es</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="yiv1693950106gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Hi all:<br>
But let yet one more time me to say we already the best OS in 80's:<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>unix?</div><div><br></div><div><span class="yiv1693950106Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: Georgia; font-size: 14px; line-height: 19px; background-color: rgb(238, 238, 233);">oh!, Acorn (never heard of it)</span></div>
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"say we already the best OS in 80's:" => I think you miss the verb there"</div><div><br></div><blockquote class="yiv1693950106gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.therealcompany.com/?pg=2">http://www.therealcompany.com/?pg=2</a><br>
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And if we care about that thuis thing changes everything, most of this guys ended up in SUN among other companies,</blockquote><div><br></div><div>and Acorn is better than the SUN workstations of its time.. because...?</div>
<div> </div><blockquote class="yiv1693950106gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> I know they worked hard in specification of the OS API, </blockquote><div> </div><blockquote class="yiv1693950106gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
so I bet you could to</blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>I bet anyone could.</div><div><br></div><div>but why would they?</div><div>what is the motivation?</div><div>the business model?</div><div> </div><blockquote class="yiv1693950106gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
equal other MicroKernel projects, again if you add up both things the best OS in 80's the best Programming Language in the 1990's and something else yet to be written.<br></blockquote><div> </div><blockquote class="yiv1693950106gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Thanks in advance<br>
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--- El jue, 8/12/11, Daniel Alejandro Benavides D. <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:dabenavidesd@yahoo.es" target="_blank" href="/mc/compose?to=dabenavidesd@yahoo.es">dabenavidesd@yahoo.es</a>> escribió:<br>
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> De: Daniel Alejandro Benavides D. <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:dabenavidesd@yahoo.es" target="_blank" href="/mc/compose?to=dabenavidesd@yahoo.es">dabenavidesd@yahoo.es</a>><br>
</div><div class="yiv1693950106im">> Asunto: Re: [M3devel] Yet Another OS in Modula-3, AVOCA, in x-kernel<br>
</div>> Para: <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:m3devel@elegosoft.com" target="_blank" href="/mc/compose?to=m3devel@elegosoft.com">m3devel@elegosoft.com</a>, "Dariusz Knociński" <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:dknoto@next.com.pl" target="_blank" href="/mc/compose?to=dknoto@next.com.pl">dknoto@next.com.pl</a>><br>
> Fecha: jueves, 8 de diciembre, 2011 07:47<br>
<div class="yiv1693950106HOEnZb"><div class="yiv1693950106h5">> Hi all:<br>
> then if one is able to recode the existing Modular kernels,<br>
> in one framework, there is possibility that you can build in<br>
> the language of your preference, Modula-3 and now Java 7<br>
> with Jigsaw framework:<br>
> <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.cs.utah.edu/flux/papers/banavar-thesis.ps.gz">http://www.cs.utah.edu/flux/papers/banavar-thesis.ps.gz</a><br>
><br>
> called Etyma<br>
> and a kind of application for C++:<br>
> <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.cs.utah.edu/dept/techreports/docs/ncstrl.utah_cs/UUCS-93-006/UUCS-93-006.pdf">http://www.cs.utah.edu/dept/techreports/docs/ncstrl.utah_cs/UUCS-93-006/UUCS-93-006.pdf</a><br>
><br>
> Anyway, to have a outside use of this, would be nice to<br>
> replace everything by Modula-3 code like:<br>
> <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="ftp://asg3.andrew.cmu.edu/pub/AUIS/PAPERS/conf/1992/Orgass.ps">ftp://asg3.andrew.cmu.edu/pub/AUIS/PAPERS/conf/1992/Orgass.ps</a><br>
><br>
> Thanks in advance<br>
><br>
> --- El jue, 8/12/11, Dariusz Knociński <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:dknoto@next.com.pl" target="_blank" href="/mc/compose?to=dknoto@next.com.pl">dknoto@next.com.pl</a>><br>
> escribió:<br>
><br>
> > De: Dariusz Knociński <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:dknoto@next.com.pl" target="_blank" href="/mc/compose?to=dknoto@next.com.pl">dknoto@next.com.pl</a>><br>
> > Asunto: Re: [M3devel] Yet Another OS in Modula-3,<br>
> AVOCA, in x-kernel<br>
> > Para: <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:m3devel@elegosoft.com" target="_blank" href="/mc/compose?to=m3devel@elegosoft.com">m3devel@elegosoft.com</a><br>
> > Fecha: jueves, 8 de diciembre, 2011 01:55<br>
> > On Wed, 7 Dec 2011 17:04:55 -0800<br>
> > Jay <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:jay.krell@cornell.edu" target="_blank" href="/mc/compose?to=jay.krell@cornell.edu">jay.krell@cornell.edu</a>><br>
> > wrote:<br>
> ><br>
> > > Interesting project: port libm3core to NT or<br>
> Linux<br>
> > kernel, so drivers for those systems can be written<br>
> in<br>
> > Modula-3. Then show how it is both safe &<br>
> efficient<br>
> > & portable.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > But better yet is to provide for user mode<br>
> drivers..<br>
> > ><br>
> > What do you think about project L4? This is<br>
> small<br>
> > efficient microkernel written<br>
> > in C++. I think, that in one year it can by rewrite<br>
> to<br>
> > Modula-3. All drivers can<br>
> > be run in user space.<br>
> ><br>
> > DKnoto.<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
><br>
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