<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;">Hi all:<br>Thanks for the message but don't be troubled:<br><br>http://books.google.com.co/books?id=xIujg_rkEX8C<br><br>http://books.google.com.co/books?id=n7eVRz6edrMC&lpg=PA62&dq=jvideo%20xerox&pg=PA61#v=onepage&q&f=false<br><br>I think the times changes as so that projects evolve, but still they are the research field, and not still in the market, are they dead?<br><br>--- El <b>mar, 20/12/11, felipe valdez <i><dataf4l@gmail.com></i></b> escribió:<br><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><br>De: felipe valdez <dataf4l@gmail.com><br>Asunto: Re: [M3devel] Yet Another OS in Modula-3, AVOCA, in x-kernel<br>Para: "Daniel Alejandro Benavides D." <dabenavidesd@yahoo.es><br>Fecha: martes, 20 de diciembre, 2011 15:26<br><br><div id="yiv601166427"><font face="courier
new,monospace">I just can't be excited about dead Operating systems, running on 8mhz hardware.<br>not the stuff for me tough.<br>I'm sure it is *your* coup of tea....<br>but I sort of feel spammed by it...<br>
<br></font><br><div class="yiv601166427gmail_quote">On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 3:12 PM, Daniel Alejandro Benavides D. <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:dabenavidesd@yahoo.es" target="_blank" href="/mc/compose?to=dabenavidesd@yahoo.es">dabenavidesd@yahoo.es</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="yiv601166427gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td style="font-family: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant: inherit; font-weight: inherit; font-size: inherit; line-height: inherit; font-size-adjust: inherit; font-stretch: inherit;" valign="top">Hi all:<br>Have a look at the real workstation Window System problem:<br><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acorn_Computers#cite_ref-23">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acorn_Computers#cite_ref-23</a><br>
<br>Having said that, still the Window system in the A500 was ahead of its time so you might say it could run in BBC-Micro systems, like 32016 as VDU across the TUBE ULA but HW backwards compatibility as well!<br><br>There is a book refereed to that as well who details the Archimedes A500 architecture If my memory serves still:<br>
<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.zxdesign.info/book/bookAnnounce.shtml">http://www.zxdesign.info/book/bookAnnounce.shtml</a><br><br>See other projects have included this technologies as well:<br><br><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acorn_Computers#Set-Top_boxes">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acorn_Computers#Set-Top_boxes</a><br>
<br>Thanks in advance<br><div class="yiv601166427im"><br>--- El <b>lun, 19/12/11, felipe valdez <i><<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:dataf4l@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="/mc/compose?to=dataf4l@gmail.com">dataf4l@gmail.com</a>></i></b> escribió:<br></div><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;">
<br>De: felipe valdez <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:dataf4l@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="/mc/compose?to=dataf4l@gmail.com">dataf4l@gmail.com</a>><div class="yiv601166427im"><br>Asunto: Re: [M3devel] Yet Another OS in Modula-3, AVOCA, in x-kernel<br></div><div class="yiv601166427im">Para: "Daniel Alejandro Benavides D." <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:dabenavidesd@yahoo.es" target="_blank" href="/mc/compose?to=dabenavidesd@yahoo.es">dabenavidesd@yahoo.es</a>><br>
CC: <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:m3devel@elegosoft.com" target="_blank" href="/mc/compose?to=m3devel@elegosoft.com">m3devel@elegosoft.com</a>, "Hendrik Boom" <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:hendrik@topoi.pooq.com" target="_blank" href="/mc/compose?to=hendrik@topoi.pooq.com">hendrik@topoi.pooq.com</a>><br>Fecha: lunes, 19 de diciembre, 2011 19:37<br>
<br></div><div><font face="courier new,monospace"><br></font><br><div><div class="yiv601166427h5"><div>On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 1:08 PM, Daniel Alejandro Benavides D. <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://mc/compose?to=dabenavidesd@yahoo.es">dabenavidesd@yahoo.es</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Hi all:<br>
Well indeed, that they sell like 200 copies of ARX Acorn/Olivetti (besides 100 or so developers on the developer machines):<br>
<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?set=custom&viewmonth=200909&viewday=&forum_name=png-mng-implement&style=nested&max_rows=75&submit=Change+View">http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?set=custom&viewmonth=200909&viewday=&forum_name=png-mng-implement&style=nested&max_rows=75&submit=Change+View</a><br>
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If so, they didn't release because of the cost issues were very important as you can see in this 01:30 video<br>
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<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-11082701">http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-11082701</a><br>
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Anyway the history behind that system is on this machine:<br>
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<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://acorn.chriswhy.co.uk/Computers/A500.html">http://acorn.chriswhy.co.uk/Computers/A500.html</a><br></blockquote><div><br>"CPU Clock8MHz"<br><br>alt+f4.<br><br> <br></div>
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<br>
It seemed that the Acorn had not released because of cost issues rather than marketing reasons, since the selling machines were not ready for its system:<br>
<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://acorn.chriswhy.co.uk/docs/Acorn/Tech/Acorn_FastA500s.pdf">http://acorn.chriswhy.co.uk/docs/Acorn/Tech/Acorn_FastA500s.pdf</a><br>
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But the compiler (I think called CAMEL) was not to blame, since it had a pretty good performance in terms of the chip (yeah it was but even not that fast for such machines cost relation). Later it wasn't released for some other reasons (would I know why, I guess they just took C route).<br>
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Thanks in advance<br>
<br>
--- El mar, 13/12/11, Hendrik Boom <<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://mc/compose?to=hendrik@topoi.pooq.com">hendrik@topoi.pooq.com</a>> escribió:<br>
<br>
> De: Hendrik Boom <<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://mc/compose?to=hendrik@topoi.pooq.com">hendrik@topoi.pooq.com</a>><br>
<div>> Asunto: Re: [M3devel] Yet Another OS in Modula-3, AVOCA, in x-kernel<br>
> Para: <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://mc/compose?to=m3devel@elegosoft.com">m3devel@elegosoft.com</a><br>
</div>> Fecha: martes, 13 de diciembre, 2011 17:38<br>
> On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 09:54:50PM<br>
> +0000, Daniel Alejandro Benavides D. wrote:<br>
> ><br>
> > But the best is still unknown they worked hard in UI<br>
> toolkits, at<br>
> > Olivetti, collaborative Windowing systems, and that<br>
> even that wasn't<br>
> > released as well, what does that mean, that nobody<br>
> used it?<br>
><br>
> If they didn't release it, no one could use it. So<br>
> why did they not<br>
> release it?<br>
><br>
> -- hendrik<br>
><br>
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