<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;">Hi all:<br>It's not correct to release a product for bug fixing (unless is ESC annotations), but because that can be embarrassing, of course SW Engineering based on that is just ridiculous (and by the way the release cycle is something that community should decide, I agree with the idea of that way of releasing "bug fixes" rather than functional implementation correction and documentation in the other side).<br>But in any event, the idea of experimental platforms is not bad at all in a new release, since several backends have been like that and so, it needs to give more thought if it's valuable or not is debatable.<br>Thanks in advance <br><br>--- El <b>vie, 10/2/12, felipe valdez <i><dataf4l@gmail.com></i></b> escribió:<br><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><br>De: felipe valdez
<dataf4l@gmail.com><br>Asunto: Re: [M3devel] Think we need a new release.<br>Para: "Daniel Alejandro Benavides D." <dabenavidesd@yahoo.es><br>CC: m3devel@elegosoft.com, vintagecoder@aol.com<br>Fecha: viernes, 10 de febrero, 2012 10:42<br><br><div id="yiv1411335929"><div>Mr VintageCoder,</div><div> </div><blockquote class="yiv1411335929gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">What is the purpose of a new release? </blockquote><div><br></div><div>from a technical perspective, probably not much</div>
<div>but from a marketing perspective (language adoption, language value perception), there could be a few.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="yiv1411335929gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
A compiler and runtime that work presumably only need fixes. </blockquote><div><br></div><div>that is correct.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="yiv1411335929gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Are you talking about a major new version or a mod level or what? The last release on cm3 I see is from 2010.
</blockquote><div><br></div><div>this probably disproves the argument of "6 years between releases", however, in the fast moving tech world, some people could consider 2010 to be a long time ago.</div><div><br>
</div><div> </div><blockquote class="yiv1411335929gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Are there bug fixes in the pipeline that haven't been verified? Are there fixes ready to go that no builds have been done for? What is the problem more frequent releases will solve? </blockquote>
<div><br></div><div>I think, it makes people perceive that the language has support, is being actively developed, is growing , and also</div><div>that it is not dead.</div><div><br></div><div>I used to use tcl a lot, but I haven't got a new release in a while, and 8.6 took forever (5 years?) to get done.</div>
<div>this made me move away from the technology, since I saw it at the time, as stagnating, stale, old and unsupported.</div><div><br></div><div>had they put a "new" brand on it ever so often, I would have been more insterested.</div>
<div><br></div><div>in general terms, once you know perl 5.10, would you be more exicet about learning perl 6.0 or 5.10.1 ?</div><div>I mean, seriously, who gives a damn about a 0.0.1 release anyway?</div><div><br></div>
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the problem I see a new release would solve, is that you get to fix stuff (like the string broken stuff) that needs fixing, without having to </div><div>maintain 100% backwards compatibility, this can lead to a cleaner language, like python3000 broke a lot of things, for instance.</div>
<div> </div><blockquote class="yiv1411335929gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Personally I see no benefit (indeed I see many disadvantges) to frequent releases of stable software.</blockquote>
<div><br></div><div><br></div><div>this is als true, there are disadvantages and I also suffer a little from this.</div><div>but surely not something we cannot live through, especially if there is some kind of guide (3to4 ?)</div>
<div><br></div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="yiv1411335929gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> But I often run backlevel intentionally.
Firefox is being updated for many reasons including security holes, bug fixes, new standards, and more. If the Modula-3 standard hasn't been updated, what is driving the need for new release(s)?</blockquote><div><br>
</div><div>if the language does not evolve, is it bound to die?</div><div>if the standard does not evolve, should one consider it to be dead?</div><div>see c++ for instance, recently, there have been changes to the language.</div>
<div>this motivates a lot of tuff:</div><div>conferences, new compilers, new books, new blogposts, and in general, a lot of "hype"</div><div>if m3 was hyped a little, perhaps it could gain developers.</div><div>
by gaining such developers, perhaps more bugs could be removed and features could be added as well (for instance, in the library space, where I see that other language have better, more tested, and easier to use LIbraries, but this is , of course, a subjective declaration, and I don't expect anyone to agree with me).</div>
<div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="yiv1411335929gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
It looks like cm3 supports more platforms than I have. I would be willing to help out (I am not a UNIX developer) any way I could. I have Solaris Intel and SPARC boxes.</blockquote><div><br></div><div>that Is wonderful news, I appreciate the offer, I hope the language improves, and your boxes serve the purpose!</div>
<div><br></div><div><br></div><div> </div><br><div class="yiv1411335929gmail_quote">On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 9:31 AM, Daniel Alejandro Benavides D. <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:dabenavidesd@yahoo.es" target="_blank" href="/mc/compose?to=dabenavidesd@yahoo.es">dabenavidesd@yahoo.es</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="yiv1411335929gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Hi all:<br>
I think one of the purposes of that is more cross platform compatibility, perhaps put in place everything to a major update on platform but for alpha testing new JIT RTCG or so (arguably we could stay in odd numbers being platform development until we get to a new even number for product release), while most of developers might want or not to migrate it's necessary to establish priorities and so for having such a thing.<br>
Thanks in advance<br>
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--- El vie, 10/2/12, Vintage Coder <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:vintagecoder@aol.com" target="_blank" href="/mc/compose?to=vintagecoder@aol.com">vintagecoder@aol.com</a>> escribió:<br>
<br>
> De: Vintage Coder <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:vintagecoder@aol.com" target="_blank" href="/mc/compose?to=vintagecoder@aol.com">vintagecoder@aol.com</a>><br>
> Asunto: Re: [M3devel] Think we need a new release.<br>
> Para: <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:m3devel@elegosoft.com" target="_blank" href="/mc/compose?to=m3devel@elegosoft.com">m3devel@elegosoft.com</a><br>
> Fecha: viernes, 10 de febrero, 2012 09:14<br>
<div class="yiv1411335929HOEnZb"><div class="yiv1411335929h5">> What is the purpose of a new release?<br>
> A compiler and runtime that work presumably only need fixes.<br>
> Are you talking about a major new version or a mod level or<br>
> what? The last release on cm3 I see is from 2010.<br>
><br>
> Are there bug fixes in the pipeline that haven't been<br>
> verified? Are there fixes ready to go that no builds have<br>
> been done for? What is the problem more frequent releases<br>
> will solve? Personally I see no benefit (indeed I see many<br>
> disadvantges) to frequent releases of stable software. But I<br>
> often run backlevel intentionally.<br>
><br>
> Firefox is being updated for many reasons including security<br>
> holes, bug fixes, new standards, and more. If the Modula-3<br>
> standard hasn't been updated, what is driving the need for<br>
> new release(s)?<br>
><br>
> It looks like cm3 supports more platforms than I have. I<br>
> would be willing to help out (I am not a UNIX developer) any<br>
> way I could. I have Solaris Intel and SPARC boxes.<br>
><br>
> ------Original Message------<br>
> From: Peter McKinna<br>
> To: <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:m3devel@elegosoft.com" target="_blank" href="/mc/compose?to=m3devel@elegosoft.com">m3devel@elegosoft.com</a><br>
> Subject: [M3devel] Think we need a new release.<br>
> Sent: 10 Feb 2012 05:01<br>
><br>
> Been a long time between releases. Must be about time.<br>
><br>
> Firefox is doing 6 weekly releases we are lucky if we get<br>
> one every 6<br>
> years. Sorry thats a bit harsh, all the same we need some<br>
> new<br>
> commitment.<br>
><br>
> Regards Peter<br>
><br>
><br>
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