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<body class='hmmessage'><div dir='ltr'>Autoconf output has little/none dependency.<div>Sun's SPARC optimization are mostly irrelevant as we have little C code,</div><div>unless you use the C backend.<br><br> > somewhat of a test of C portability </div><div><br></div><div>This I appreciate. We have some C code and the C backend.</div><div>More compilers have "helped"<span style="font-size: 12pt;">.</span></div><div>The Tru64 compiler was another.</div><div>On HP-UX in-box I had only K&R so resorted to gcc (Including bootstrapping through gcc 3.x;</div><div>see m3-sys/m3cc/src/m3makefile...)</div><div>We work with Microsoft Visual C++ too.</div><div>And now clang -- having found and worked around a bug in its assembler.</div><div>Some time soon I'll expand to Metrowerks and Digital Mars..</div><div><br></div><div> - Jay<br><br><br><div>> Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2015 08:24:09 +0000<br>> From: microcode@zoho.com<br>> To: m3devel@elegosoft.com<br>> Subject: Re: [M3devel] Build Server - Plan<br>> <br>> On Sun, Aug 16, 2015 at 07:52:13AM +0000, Jay K wrote:<br>> > The output of autoconf/automake should have lightweight dependencies.They<br>> > might stress make, might require GNU make.They might stress the sh, but I<br>> > think there are adequate shells out there. <br>> <br>> That is typically one issue with autoconf, requiring gnu tools in the<br>> path. On Solaris this can be annoying since most Solaris people don't use<br>> gcc or bash or have them in their path and not all (none of?) the gnu pieces<br>> are up to date or even current by any stretch of the imagination.<br>> <br>> > They are meant to be easy for people building stuff to use.They aren't<br>> > meant to be easy for people developing stuff to use. <br>> <br>> Not sure what you meant here...<br>> <br>> > Look at this way..while people complain and there are widelyused<br>> > alternatives like cmake, autoconf/automake are in widespreaduse, and they<br>> > do provide things that work for Linux, Solaris, BSD, MacOSX, Cygwin,HPUX,<br>> > Aix, Irix, etc. <br>> <br>> They often don't "work" for Solaris as-installed but they can most often be<br>> made to work. Increasingly, as automake and its prereqs get version bumps<br>> there are problems building apps on Solaris because Solaris installs with a<br>> very back-level version of gcc and a rather incomplete set of gnu tools. I<br>> ran into a problem with the last year where Solaris awk was not good enough<br>> to install(!) an app that compiled on Solaris as part of autotools so I had<br>> to download a newish copy of gawk and install it. So really, it is much<br>> better not to go there if you can avoid it.<br>> <br>> I am not suggesting an alternative to autotools but just pointing out it is<br>> not really accurate to say they work on Linux, Solaris, BSD, etc. except for<br>> Linux. I also run BSD on several platforms and because of the same issues as<br>> with Solaris (old copy of gcc and gnu tools and POSIX-compliant awk, sed,<br>> shells, etc. not being good enough for autotools) it is sometimes<br>> non-trivial and painful to get Linux apps built on BSD. There is obviously<br>> no good/easy solution to this, just to point out it is not the slam-dunk as<br>> might be thought. <br>> <br>> > Furthermore, consider any platform that has a native gcc, is likely<br>> > buildingthat with autoconf/automake.<br>> <br>> Conceded, yet on Solaris it is not clear why gcc is there. It is old and it<br>> is in a non-standard location and is often not used. Ideally, apps to be run<br>> on Solaris should be able to be built with native (non-gnu) tools. The<br>> Studio compilers are very good and have optimizations for SPARC that should<br>> be better than what gcc can provide and it is also somewhat of a test of C<br>> portability since Studio doesn't necessarily provide all non-standard gcc<br>> extensions.<br>> <br>> <br>> _______________________________________________<br>> M3devel mailing list<br>> M3devel@elegosoft.com<br>> https://mail.elegosoft.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/m3devel<br></div></div> </div></body>
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