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<li>But I don't think he could sue w/o ownership. He could only encourage the owners to.</li></ol>
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<div>2. Static linking gcc makes everything in</div>
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<div><span>GPL -- at least when linked to gcc. But can't we dual license?</span></div>
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<div><span>The files/content I am interested in:</span></div>
<div><span><span>m3-def</span>.h</span></div>
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<div><span>I am the author of this. It is derived perhaps from some Modula-3 code.</span></div>
<div><span>It is a funny file. It is C preprocessor and a long way toward our IR reading.</span></div>
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<div><span>And then m3cg.h -- this is machine generated. Not sure how that licensed in general.</span></div>
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<div><span>And then parse.c.</span></div>
<div><span>Some large fraction of this is the IR reader and independent of gcc.</span></div>
<div><span>And</span><i> might</i> be a good basis for other backends -- external backends written in C or C++ in particular.</div>
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<div>I haven't super much pushed on this because in <i>principle</i>,<i> </i>while I do like C and C++,</div>
<div>I wrote the C backend in Modula-3 to try to really use this system, and writing/reading the IR</div>
<div>is kinda well recognized as unnecessarily inefficient approach. It is used by m3cc as a license</div>
<div>dodge, not for perhaps the best other engineering reasons.</div>
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<div> An LLVM system could use this approach, but could also generate LLVM IR in-proc, as I believe</div>
<div> we have, or write the binary or textual "bitcode" -- again slower, but has advantages. </div>
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<div> However, I do have another idea. </div>
<div> The M3CG IR could be the basis of a JIT or interpreter. </div>
<div> They could be the distributed files. </div>
<div> And that could be written in C or C++. </div>
<div> And then these files become useful. </div>
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<div> It isn't clear however, when thinking about JIT, where to draw the lines in the pipeline -- how far to "lower" </div>
<div> before redistributing. While we have this IR in hand, it isn't maybe stable enough long term. </div>
<div> Unless the JIT was tightly bound to the IR somehow. </div>
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<div> We have changed it fairly regularly. We had no reason not to. </div>
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<b>Sent:</b> Monday, August 28, 2017 5:14 AM<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [M3devel] On the way to release other packages in GPL?</font>
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<div>On Aug 28, 2017, at 3:11 PM, Jay K <<a href="mailto:jayk123@hotmail.com">jayk123@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:</div>
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<div style="direction:ltr">1. Modula-3 maybe matters less these days?</div>
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<div>It is the precedent that mattered to him. He didn’t care about M3 either way.</div>
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<div style="direction:ltr">2. It is the code owners that would have to object, right?</div>
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<div>I think, in principle, the way m3cg is built against gcc it must go under GPL.</div>
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<div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" style="font-size:11pt"><b>From:</b> Hosking, Antony L <<a href="mailto:hosking@purdue.edu">hosking@purdue.edu</a>><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, August 27, 2017 10:06:46 PM<br>
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<div>On Aug 28, 2017, at 10:18 AM, Jay K <<a href="mailto:jayk123@hotmail.com">jayk123@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:</div>
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<div style="direction:ltr">Please no GPL.</div>
<div style="direction:ltr">I want it all BSD, and one license for it all. Including the m3cg.h or such that I wrote that is currently GPL. I'll send mail on it later. Dual license might be required. This file in particular is C preprocessor code that helps
read our IR. I'd also like to BSD parse.c but not clear we can. Try & see if anyone objects? Surely nobody will.</div>
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<div>RMS himself hit the roof when the original M3CG front-end to gcc was done, as he saw it as a threat to GPL. So, I wouldn’t count on that.</div>
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<b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Sunday, August 27, 2017 4:40:46 PM<br>
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> Hello:what if we ask to release all Modula-3 in GPL?<a href="https://secure-web.cisco.com/13bieYcRaletSOr3TeMBWhIaYEtg9rhYJS5oSKcTQvwIbVNu84_XxQ8RHJjhOxZZTlzWIoYEMQpv9Ne0danK8csSo_l7Ade-8RJ-9ODwtcee8KZ1pGOQJb895kthpXEtWHoklxUe5Hjaorxo4sSR-dtzhIIJ2KKeQL6LLlsjrB_wGoN9a_acXpF_fDHOIiiKbNyGWCxckblkmW8i-TBbfQ9M8KGXmoCrYcKAmmTgi7kaV4VsqoTObFKlXCILodrAyvqGSSK4hhtH8yrYcV3iSjk5UZ-evRH2_UDpddb1j83Wf_cEpiLA1KPoGYWlWHdsKoessBzT1vNAUOSQB8f7KpDLY8LoBgqbP8yqxQkd7iho/https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dwheeler.com%2Fmisc%2Fsimplify-hp-release.txt">https://www.dwheeler.com/misc/simplify-hp-release.txt</a><br>
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There's nothing difficult about having two licences. It just means<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
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