[M3devel] WeakRef mechanism alive and well? cm3-cvshead

[Dragiša Durić]

[17:25:19] <Hubetta> 117 users, 1 ops and 1 unresolved; minId = 18617; thrs = 120
[17:25:19] <Hubetta> started = 663; cleaned = 452; nilled = 543; joined = 543
[17:25:19] <Hubetta> Dangling thrs-a-b-n = 1
[17:25:19] <Hubetta> Live queue end is 18621 (head = 18616), maxClean = 18611, cleaned = 16583

About one hour uptime, after I added RTCollector.Collect() call every 20
seconds.

dd

On Thu, 2008-03-13 at 10:54 -0400, Tony Hosking wrote:
> Yes.  RTCollectorSRC.FinishCollection;
> RTCollectorSRC.StartCollection.  This will finish the current
> (possibly minor) collection, and start a major collection.  The major
> collection must finish before you can guarantee garbage has been
> freed, so you may want to RTCollectorSRC.FinishCollection.  This
> sequence is packaged as RTCollector.Collect.
> 
> Antony Hosking | Associate Professor | Computer Science | Purdue
> University
> 305 N. University Street | West Lafayette | IN 47907 | USA
> Office +1 765 494 6001 | Mobile +1 765 427 5484
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Mar 13, 2008, at 10:22 AM, Dragiša Durić wrote:
> 
> > Can I force "major collection" ?
> > 
> > dd
> > 
> > On Thu, 2008-03-13 at 10:08 -0400, Tony Hosking wrote:
> > > Indeed! Can you devise a testcase?  Note that the generational
> > > collector will retain old objects for some time until a major
> > > collection occurs,
> > > 
> > > Antony Hosking | Associate Professor | Computer Science | Purdue
> > > University
> > > 305 N. University Street | West Lafayette | IN 47907 | USA
> > > Office +1 765 494 6001 | Mobile +1 765 427 5484
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On Mar 13, 2008, at 9:56 AM, Dragiša Durić wrote:
> > > 
> > > > And not only that, their stackbase is also set to NIL, meaning
> > > > their
> > > > stack is not regarded in any way during future collections -
> > > > meaning
> > > > all
> > > > local variables are forgotten once apply method returns.
> > > > 
> > > > That way, "spuriousness"  is not an issue, once thread returns?
> > > > 
> > > > dd
> > > > 
> > > > On Thu, 2008-03-13 at 09:46 -0400, Tony Hosking wrote:
> > > > > They should get unlinked from the global ring.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Antony Hosking | Associate Professor | Computer Science |
> > > > > Purdue
> > > > > University
> > > > > 305 N. University Street | West Lafayette | IN 47907 | USA
> > > > > Office +1 765 494 6001 | Mobile +1 765 427 5484
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > On Mar 13, 2008, at 6:16 AM, Dragiša Durić wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > > What happens to thread stacks once threads are Join-ed?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > dd
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > On Wed, 2008-03-12 at 11:12 -0400, Tony Hosking wrote:
> > > > > > > This is probably a result of conservatism for references
> > > > > > > from
> > > > > > > thread
> > > > > > > stacks which results in spurious retention.  It may be
> > > > > > > necessary
> > > > > > > to be
> > > > > > > more careful about what references are held on the stack
> > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > threads implementation (and elsewhere in your code).
> > > > > > >  Until we
> > > > > > > diagnose the place where objects are being retained it
> > > > > > > will be
> > > > > > > hard to
> > > > > > > pinpoint.  You should realize that weak refs are a problem
> > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > many
> > > > > > > language implementations, not just Modula-3.  I look
> > > > > > > forward
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > hearing more definitively from you.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Antony Hosking | Associate Professor | Computer Science |
> > > > > > > Purdue
> > > > > > > University
> > > > > > > 305 N. University Street | West Lafayette | IN 47907 | USA
> > > > > > > Office +1 765 494 6001 | Mobile +1 765 427 5484
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > On Mar 12, 2008, at 4:21 AM, Dragiša Durić wrote:
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Problem in my case can be thoroughness of GC... Because
> > > > > > > > it's
> > > > > > > > linked
> > > > > > > > list of WeakRef-ed objects, it's always first element in
> > > > > > > > list to
> > > > > > > > become
> > > > > > > > unreachable first - all others are reachable at least
> > > > > > > > through
> > > > > > > > previous
> > > > > > > > (in list) WeakRef-ed object. So, behaviour I have
> > > > > > > > observed
> > > > > > > > can
> > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > because of some thousands of freeable objects, that one
> > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > missed
> > > > > > > > too
> > > > > > > > often.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > I have other object being cleaned and counted... There
> > > > > > > > also
> > > > > > > > cleanup
> > > > > > > > invocation looks like it's lagging too much. I'll come
> > > > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > numbers
> > > > > > > > after I have more tests.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > dd
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > On Tue, 2008-03-11 at 09:50 -0400, Tony Hosking wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Sounds like we need some sort of testcase.  Would you
> > > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > able
> > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > devise one?  It will be hard to make it deterministic,
> > > > > > > > > but
> > > > > > > > > at
> > > > > > > > > least we
> > > > > > > > > should see a non-zero cleanup count.
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > Antony Hosking | Associate Professor | Computer
> > > > > > > > > Science |
> > > > > > > > > Purdue
> > > > > > > > > University
> > > > > > > > > 305 N. University Street | West Lafayette | IN 47907 |
> > > > > > > > > USA
> > > > > > > > > Office +1 765 494 6001 | Mobile +1 765 427 5484
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > On Mar 11, 2008, at 4:03 AM, Dragiša Durić wrote:
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > I have single linked list that I use to send
> > > > > > > > > > messages to
> > > > > > > > > > many
> > > > > > > > > > threads.
> > > > > > > > > > It's end is locked for addition, and current end is
> > > > > > > > > > given to
> > > > > > > > > > each
> > > > > > > > > > new
> > > > > > > > > > client connecting. This way, all client are going
> > > > > > > > > > towards
> > > > > > > > > > end of
> > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > list so it's head becomes unreferenced and goes away
> > > > > > > > > > by
> > > > > > > > > > GC.
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > Except it does not.
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > I've added WeakRef cleanup and sequential id's so I
> > > > > > > > > > can
> > > > > > > > > > record
> > > > > > > > > > maximum
> > > > > > > > > > freed id for checking. No single cleanup happens.
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > I'll cross check my code and count my references
> > > > > > > > > > from
> > > > > > > > > > application
> > > > > > > > > > side,
> > > > > > > > > > but maybe someone else has similar problems?
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > dd
> > > > > > > > > > -- 
> > > > > > > > > > Dragiša Durić <dragisha at m3w.org>
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> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > -- 
> > > > > > > > Dragiša Durić <dragisha at m3w.org>
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > -- 
> > > > > > Dragiša Durić <dragisha at m3w.org>
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > -- 
> > > > Dragiša Durić <dragisha at m3w.org>
> > > > 
> > > 
> > -- 
> > Dragiša Durić <dragisha at m3w.org>
> > 
> 
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Dragiša Durić <dragisha at m3w.org>