[M3devel] Yet Another OS in Modula-3, AVOCA, in x-kernel

[Daniel Alejandro Benavides D.]

Hi all:
perhaps we are stalled in what VM or infrastructure we should rely onto that, I see this ones had in account Modula-3 execution (nonetheless Oberon was a lot copied in JVM), and Oberon and Modula-2 are languages with many similarities with Modula-3:
http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/techreports/UCAM-CL-TR-525.pdf

But yet another example of unreleased though used Modula- like code was in BNR Pascal (aka Modular Pascal), this was a dialect in use and a process to reunite with Modula-3, also ths guys worked hard in hard-to solve problems, like Voice oriented WS (PX) and their own XMS OS:
http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/iel5/52/35718/01695330.pdf

http://web.ncf.ca/andre/publications/SyntheticSpeech.pdf

They coded 5 MLOC of that pascal version. If we could effectively reunite both systems in the type systems, and sort out other differences as well, eventually we would need to somehow diminish the software they built to the bare minimum, but get a lot of good stuff from the languages as well as the kernels they did:
http://web.ncf.ca/andre/publications/SyntheticSpeech.pdf

Thanks in advance

--- El mar, 13/12/11, Daniel Alejandro Benavides D. <dabenavidesd at yahoo.es> escribió:

De: Daniel Alejandro Benavides D. <dabenavidesd at yahoo.es>
Asunto: Re: [M3devel] Yet Another OS in Modula-3, AVOCA, in x-kernel
Para: "felipe valdez" <dataf4l at gmail.com>
CC: m3devel at elegosoft.com
Fecha: martes, 13 de diciembre, 2011 20:28

Hi all:
among others motivations was to build a Educational Standard Workstation for High schools in the European Educational Standard:
http://books.google.com.co/books?id=RYH7o-4ykmMC&lpg=PA22&ots=n9hP3BGn6Z&dq=european%20educational%20standard%20acorn%20olivetti&pg=PA22#v=onepage&q&f=false

But Olivetti ported it to the Olivetti PC, so how can you say why they wanted to do that way the WS?
The things have changed IA32-AMD64 is severely threatened by the ARM ecosystem, and guess what all of their development tools (Simulators, and some other standards by Acorn) are based originals of Acorn.

Thanks in advance

--- El mar, 13/12/11, felipe valdez <dataf4l at gmail.com> escribió:

De: felipe
 valdez <dataf4l at gmail.com>
Asunto: Re: [M3devel] Yet Another OS in Modula-3, AVOCA, in x-kernel
Para: "Daniel Alejandro Benavides D." <dabenavidesd at yahoo.es>
Fecha: martes, 13 de diciembre, 2011 12:14



On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 9:38 AM, Daniel Alejandro Benavides D. <dabenavidesd at yahoo.es> wrote:


Hi all:

But let yet one more time me to say we already the best OS in 80's:

unix?
oh!, Acorn  (never heard of it)





"say we already the best OS in 80's:" => I think you miss the verb there"

http://www.therealcompany.com/?pg=2



And if we care about that thuis thing changes everything, most of this guys ended up in SUN among other companies,
and Acorn is better than the SUN workstations of its time.. because...?

  I know they worked hard in specification of the OS API,  

so I bet you could to

I bet anyone could.
but why would they?what is the motivation?the business model? 

 equal other MicroKernel projects, again if you add up both things the best OS in 80's the best Programming Language in the 1990's and something else yet to be written.
 


Thanks in advance



--- El jue, 8/12/11, Daniel Alejandro Benavides D. <dabenavidesd at yahoo.es> escribió:



> De: Daniel Alejandro Benavides D. <dabenavidesd at yahoo.es>

> Asunto: Re: [M3devel] Yet Another OS in Modula-3, AVOCA, in x-kernel

> Para: m3devel at elegosoft.com, "Dariusz Knociński" <dknoto at next.com.pl>

> Fecha: jueves, 8 de diciembre, 2011 07:47

> Hi all:

> then if one is able to recode the existing Modular kernels,

> in one framework, there is possibility that you can build in

> the language of your preference, Modula-3 and now Java 7

> with Jigsaw framework:

> http://www.cs.utah.edu/flux/papers/banavar-thesis.ps.gz

>

> called Etyma

> and a kind of application for C++:

> http://www.cs.utah.edu/dept/techreports/docs/ncstrl.utah_cs/UUCS-93-006/UUCS-93-006.pdf

>

> Anyway, to have a outside use of this, would be nice to

> replace everything by Modula-3 code like:

> ftp://asg3.andrew.cmu.edu/pub/AUIS/PAPERS/conf/1992/Orgass.ps

>

> Thanks in advance

>

> --- El jue, 8/12/11, Dariusz Knociński <dknoto at next.com.pl>

> escribió:

>

> > De: Dariusz Knociński <dknoto at next.com.pl>

> > Asunto: Re: [M3devel] Yet Another OS in Modula-3,

> AVOCA, in x-kernel

> > Para: m3devel at elegosoft.com

> > Fecha: jueves, 8 de diciembre, 2011 01:55

> > On Wed, 7 Dec 2011 17:04:55 -0800

> > Jay <jay.krell at cornell.edu>

> > wrote:

> >

> > > Interesting project: port libm3core to NT or

> Linux

> > kernel, so drivers for those systems can be written

> in

> > Modula-3. Then show how it is both safe &

> efficient

> > & portable.

> > >

> > > But better yet is to provide for user mode

> drivers..

> > >

> > What do you think about  project L4? This is

> small

> > efficient microkernel written

> > in C++. I think, that in one year it can by rewrite

> to

> > Modula-3. All drivers can

> > be run in user space.

> >

> > DKnoto.

> >

> >

>




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