[M3devel] cm3-ide

Fri Feb 18 15:37:24 CET 2011

Hi all:
yes, it's agood idea, in fact there is one still in preparation M3clipse, the syntactic analyzer, parser and  abstract tree builder and has not yet its semantic analyzer, all are written in Java, so it helps to this purposes, perhaps you can can have a hand of it, for now it just colorize its syntax and so see it:
http://sourceforge.net/projects/m3clipse/files

(it doesn't have any files right now, I believe because of recent crashed project repository server, I can try to put it on the web if any interest its license is EPL)
You have this feature in another integrated development environment in another good package, cooledit, I think it features what you are suggesting, even it has an integrated keyword highlighting and code completion but still though it has integrated gdb window support, you might want to add m3gdb support to it (ideally I would say):
http://freshmeat.net/projects/cooledit

If you need cooledit Modula-3 syntax files you can tell me or be put on the repository for everybody if any interested just tell me, this is written by Pino Zollo.
Yet another "cool" option is an "intelligent" or simply advanced integrated programming environment, it has a graphical debugger (in an internal debugging language) and so you can take a look at it in its book:
http://www.cs.brown.edu/~spr/research/envfield.html

And finally about cm3ide, I think it makes sense to have an distributed environment for reading its hyperlinked source code in almost any web browser by free, i.e a browser plugin which has an speech synthesizer for blind or low vision people. Of course any other custom plugin for any type of checking is a wanted feature, i.e. static analysis or runtime failures could be detected and prompted by it, which is sort of good if have any failure is good to be reported about it, and just not only throw a program debug image file don't you think? 
Hope it helps, thanks in advance.  

--- El vie, 18/2/11, Olaf Wagner <wagner at elegosoft.com> escribió:

> De: Olaf Wagner <wagner at elegosoft.com>
> Asunto: Re: [M3devel] cm3-ide
> Para: "Jay K" <jay.krell at cornell.edu>
> CC: "m3devel" <m3devel at elegosoft.com>, m3-support at elego.de, moriah.moshe at gmail.com, zeev.blu at gmail.com
> Fecha: viernes, 18 de febrero, 2011 08:12
> Quoting Jay K <jay.krell at cornell.edu>:
> 
> >  > A language and its implementation in a
> compiler does not necessarily
> >  > require a full-fledged intergrated
> development environment like Eclipse.
> >
> > Programmers today are not used to using plain text
> editors.
> > They are used to wizards and intellisense.
> > It would take a lot of work I think to make Modula-3
> > at all usable to any programmer under 30 years old.
> 
> I don't think that an integration of M3 into Eclispe for
> example
> would be very difficult. As I'm not using it myself,
> someone else
> will have to provide it though.
> 
> > Even older folks have largely become spoiled.
> 
> I'm still fairly content with using the command line and
> text
> editors, even though that must seem old-fashioned ;-)
> 
> Olaf
> 
> >  - Jay
> >> Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 09:40:14 +0100
> >> From: wagner at elegosoft.com
> >> To: zeev.blu at gmail.com
> >> CC: m3devel at elegosoft.com;
> m3-support at elego.de;
> moriah.moshe at gmail.com
> >> Subject: Re: [M3devel] cm3-ide
> >>
> >> Quoting זאב בלומנצויג <zeev.blu at gmail.com>:
> >>
> >> > Hi,
> >> > First, thanks for the quick reply.
> >> >
> >> > I have tried to use the file you gave me, and
> some other files from that
> >> > site.
> >> > I have some questions:
> >> > 1. If I understand correctly, the method of
> working with this compiler is
> >> > through the CMD in WINDOWS. Is not this
> language a IDE to work with?
> >>
> >> A language and its implementation in a compiler
> does not necessarily
> >> require a full-fledged intergrated development
> environment like Eclipse.
> >> My faourite IDE when I was actively using M3 was
> always XEmacs :-)
> >> There _is_ a web-based cm3-ide (which should be
> contained in that
> >> archive) that allows you to build and manage your
> projects with a
> >> standard web browser, but that might be quite
> different from your
> >> expectations of an IDE, too ;-)
> >>
> >> > 2. When I tried to compile , I got a linking
> error:
> >> >
> >> > " link is not recognized as an internal or
> external command, operable
> >> > program or batch file."
> >> >
> >> > And then another error:
> >> >
> >> > "... \cm3 \ bin \ cm3.cfg ", line 455: quake
> runtime error: link failed "
> >> >
> >> > And finally I received:
> >> >
> >> > " Fatal Error: procedure "m3_link" defined in
> "... \ cm3 \ bin \ cm3.cfg"
> >> > failed. "
> >>
> >> You either missed the installation of a suitable
> system linker as
> >> described in the "Windows installation notes"
> referred to below or
> >> you didn't set the appropriate variables in your
> environment or in
> >> the cm3 configuration files. CM3 does not include
> a system linker,
> >> and on Windows you have got to install one
> yourself, while on all
> >> other systems it usually is installed by default.
> >>
> >> You can use the cm3 option "-commands" to actually
> view the external
> >> commands the builder is calling.
> >>
> >> I hope this helps,
> >>
> >> Olaf
> >>
> >> > Thanks for your help
> >> >
> >> > zeev blumentzvaig
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > 2011/2/18 Olaf Wagner <wagner at elegosoft.com>
> >> >
> >> >> Quoting זאב בלומנצויג <zeev.blu at gmail.com>:
> >> >>
> >> >>  Hi,
> >> >>> I am a student of Software
> Engineering.
> >> >>> I want to learn the language modula-3
> and I'm trying to install  
> >>  IDE on my
> >> >>> computer.
> >> >>> I have windows 7 operating system and
> I can not find any suitable
> >> >>> installation file.
> >> >>> Do you have appropriate file or
> instructions how to do it on another
> >> >>> system?
> >> >>> I need it for exercise in school and
> I'd love it if you could help me.
> >> >>> Thank you.
> >> >>> zeev blumentzvaig
> >> >>>
> >> >>
> >> >> What exactly have you tried already?
> >> >>
> >> >> The archive for Windows listed on http://www.opencm3.net/download.html,
> >> >> http://www.opencm3.net/cm3-min-WIN32-NT386-d5.5.0.zip,
> should
> >> >> work for Windows 7, too, as far as I
> know. You simply need to
> >> >> unpack it and install a suitable linker,
> as described for example in
> >> >> http://www.opencm3.net/installation-windows.html.
> >> >>
> >> >> In order to help you, we need to know
> exactly what you have done and
> >> >> what failed. I'm not an expert on
> Windows; others on the list may
> >> >> be able to help better, so I CC this to
> m3devel.
> >> >>
> >> >> Olaf
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