[M3devel] cm3, NOPTHREAD
Daniel Alejandro Benavides D.
dabenavidesd at yahoo.es
Sat May 26 00:58:34 CEST 2012
Hi all:
I think that you don't want that unless you want to use the OS source, I don't think this libraries make that sense, this libraries are just if you want is use this interface of your OS (Modula-3 are essentially different of theirs that's the main issue here).
I think we can do it, but the first alternative to test would be a NT since you can provide several schedulers in an OS version called RiAlto (you need to compile an relink everything). But then you wouldn't be using Win32 alone, you need to license not that EULA, or ULA, guess if DEC/Compaq did that, what did they paid for?
I don't know any other OS with that function, but perhaps I'm wrong.
Thanks in advance
--- El vie, 25/5/12, Daniel Alejandro Benavides D. <dabenavidesd at yahoo.es> escribió:
> De: Daniel Alejandro Benavides D. <dabenavidesd at yahoo.es>
> Asunto: Re: [M3devel] cm3, NOPTHREAD
> Para: dragisha at m3w.org, "Jay K" <jay.krell at cornell.edu>
> CC: "m3devel" <m3devel at elegosoft.com>
> Fecha: viernes, 25 de mayo, 2012 17:38
> Hi all:
> I'm thinking can press a key command to compile m3core with
> that option, no, you need to change the sources of the
> thing. That's for me new RT and new compiler, and if you
> want that do it, it's OK but for me, don't think it makes
> sense to do that in an automatic environment, that's why I
> tell you you can't do that in Modula-3 alone. If it were
> pure Modula-3 yes you could override a Thread interface with
> that option, but not here certainly.
> Thanks advance
>
>
> --- El vie, 25/5/12, Jay K <jay.krell at cornell.edu>
> escribió:
>
> > De: Jay K <jay.krell at cornell.edu>
> > Asunto: RE: [M3devel] cm3, NOPTHREAD
> > Para: dabenavidesd at yahoo.es,
> dragisha at m3w.org
> > CC: "m3devel" <m3devel at elegosoft.com>
> > Fecha: viernes, 25 de mayo, 2012 17:09
> >
> > > no, since we've lost self-hosted compiler
> (because
> > PTHREADS is C code)
> > > when compiling using PTHREADS capabilities.
>
> >
> >
> > Again Daniel, this make no sense to me.
> >
> >
> > > You need a new compiler image
> >
> >
> >
> > Again Daniel, this is wrong.
> >
> >
> >
> > > and a new RT image
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Again Daniel, this doesn't make
> complete sense to
> > me.
> > What do you mean "new RT image"?
> >
> >
> > You need m3core, and then because its interface
> > essentially changes (different type ids for thread
> and/or
> > lock), you have to recompile everything else that you
> are
> > going to use, with this new m3core -- i.e. the
> entire
> > dependency graph up to and including the executable.
> >
> >
> > You do NOT need a new compiler.
> > If it works, great. But you don't need it.
> >
> >
> > If we hide the types behind object or such, then only
> m3core
> > will need to be rebuild. That is the plan. And more so
> -- a
> > command line to change between them.
> > For now, the type ids vary.
> >
> >
> > -DNOPTHREAD only directly changes m3core.
> > The rest of the system can be compiled w/ or w/o it.
> But the
> > new m3core causes a need for some rebuild.
> >
> >
> > - Jay
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > > Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 21:57:56 +0100
> > > From: dabenavidesd at yahoo.es
> >
> > > Subject: Re: [M3devel] cm3, NOPTHREAD
> > > To: dragisha at m3w.org
> >
> > > CC: jay.krell at cornell.edu;
> > m3devel at elegosoft.com
> >
> > >
> > > Hi all:
> > > no, since we've lost self-hosted compiler
> (because
> > PTHREADS is C code)
> > > when compiling using PTHREADS capabilities.
> > > You need a new compiler image and a new RT image,
> if
> > you want to do
> > > that; what you say, sounds like you can change
> that at
> > build time, this
> > > is not the case.
> > > Thanks in advance
> > >
> > >
> > > --- El vie, 25/5/12, Dragiša Durić <dragisha at m3w.org>
> > escribió:
> > >
> > > De: Dragiša Durić <dragisha at m3w.org>
> >
> > > Asunto: Re: [M3devel] cm3, NOPTHREAD
> > > Para: "Daniel Alejandro Benavides D." <dabenavidesd at yahoo.es>
> >
> > > CC: "Jay K" <jay.krell at cornell.edu>,
> > "m3devel" <m3devel at elegosoft.com>
> >
> > > Fecha: viernes, 25 de mayo, 2012 15:51
> > >
> > > Daniel,
> > >
> > > BUILDARGS is applied to all builds occuring while
> it's
> > set.
> > >
> > > Have a nice day.
> > >
> > > dd
> > >
> > > On May 25, 2012, at 10:46 PM, Daniel Alejandro
> > Benavides D. wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi all:
> > > such system will not compile everything using
> NOPTHREAD
> > thing, but
> > > merely the compiler, so this doesn't help anything
> else
> > than the
> > > compiler, if you want to build with your compiler
> that
> > then you need a
> > > correct boot image.
> > > Thanks in advance
> > >
> > >
> > > --- El jue, 24/5/12, Dragiša Durić
> > > <dragisha at m3w.org<http:///mc/compose?to=dragisha%40m3w.org>>
> > escribió:
> > >
> > > De: Dragiša Durić
> > > <dragisha at m3w.org<http:///mc/compose?to=dragisha%40m3w.org>>
> > > Asunto: Re: [M3devel] cm3, NOPTHREAD
> > > Para: "Jay K"
> > > <jay.krell at cornell.edu<http:///mc/compose?to=jay.krell%40cornell.edu>>
> > > CC: "m3devel"
> > > <m3devel at elegosoft.com<http:///mc/compose?to=m3devel%40elegosoft.com>>
> > > Fecha: jueves, 24 de mayo, 2012 03:43
> > >
> > > I did
> > >
> > > export BUILDARGS="-DNOPTHREAD"
> > >
> > > before building packages/compiler.
> > >
> > > Didn't work. Built cm3 failed on first invocation
> with
> > stack of three
> > > elements, topmost being NoteStackLocations. No
> other
> > data.
> > >
> > > On May 24, 2012, at 1:07 AM, Jay K wrote:
> > >
> > > Do you mean did we make something "official" and
> put it
> > somewhere to be
> > > tested and downloaded by the masses of Modula-3
> > programmers who want to
> > > use both Modula-3 and user threads? I don't think
> so.
> > >
> > >
> > > Do it yourself?
> > > (Try out
> scripts/python/make-dist.py?)
> > >
> > >
> > > It has always been easy from a m3makefile point of
> view
> > to do it.
> > > You either use -DNOPTHREAD or such, or edit
> > m3core/src/thread/m3makefile.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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