From dragisha at m3w.org Sat Nov 24 12:18:47 2012 From: dragisha at m3w.org (=?utf-8?Q?Dragi=C5=A1a_Duri=C4=87?=) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2012 12:18:47 +0100 Subject: [M3devel] Any survivors? Message-ID: <899682A1-7A51-4DA6-A131-8A2ECFEED184@m3w.org> -- Divided by a common language Dragi?a Duri? dragisha at m3w.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 495 bytes Desc: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail URL: From wagner at elegosoft.com Sat Nov 24 12:41:59 2012 From: wagner at elegosoft.com (Olaf Wagner) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2012 12:41:59 +0100 Subject: [M3devel] Any survivors? In-Reply-To: <899682A1-7A51-4DA6-A131-8A2ECFEED184@m3w.org> References: <899682A1-7A51-4DA6-A131-8A2ECFEED184@m3w.org> Message-ID: <20121124124159.f53c800fe64a7c61a702e1e0@elegosoft.com> Well, yes, I'm still alive, but I was also astounded by the sudden silence after so much traffic for several months. Is it already the advent of Christmas? Olaf -- Olaf Wagner -- elego Software Solutions GmbH -- http://www.elegosoft.com Gustav-Meyer-Allee 25 / Geb?ude 12, 13355 Berlin, Germany phone: +49 30 23 45 86 96 mobile: +49 177 2345 869 fax: +49 30 23 45 86 95 Gesch?ftsf?hrer: Michael Diers, Olaf Wagner | Sitz: Berlin Handelregister: Amtsgericht Charlottenburg HRB 77719 | USt-IdNr: DE163214194 From hosking at cs.purdue.edu Sat Nov 24 15:52:37 2012 From: hosking at cs.purdue.edu (Antony Hosking) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2012 09:52:37 -0500 Subject: [M3devel] Any survivors? In-Reply-To: <20121124124159.f53c800fe64a7c61a702e1e0@elegosoft.com> References: <899682A1-7A51-4DA6-A131-8A2ECFEED184@m3w.org> <20121124124159.f53c800fe64a7c61a702e1e0@elegosoft.com> Message-ID: Happy thanksgiving! Sent from my iPhone On Nov 24, 2012, at 6:41, Olaf Wagner wrote: > Well, yes, I'm still alive, but I was also astounded by the sudden > silence after so much traffic for several months. > > Is it already the advent of Christmas? > > Olaf > -- > Olaf Wagner -- elego Software Solutions GmbH -- http://www.elegosoft.com > Gustav-Meyer-Allee 25 / Geb?ude 12, 13355 Berlin, Germany > phone: +49 30 23 45 86 96 mobile: +49 177 2345 869 fax: +49 30 23 45 86 95 > Gesch?ftsf?hrer: Michael Diers, Olaf Wagner | Sitz: Berlin > Handelregister: Amtsgericht Charlottenburg HRB 77719 | USt-IdNr: DE163214194 > From dabenavidesd at yahoo.es Sat Nov 24 15:57:54 2012 From: dabenavidesd at yahoo.es (Daniel Alejandro Benavides D.) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2012 14:57:54 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [M3devel] Any survivors? In-Reply-To: <20121124124159.f53c800fe64a7c61a702e1e0@elegosoft.com> Message-ID: <1353769074.67315.YahooMailClassic@web29703.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Hi all: The lost mails, I wrote once to m3support and never was replied by an alert nor a a response (It turns out it didn't matter, as it was an "expected" error and misspelled? m3-support). I think wrong destination, and ocationtal alerts are good ideas (like peak hours in Elego and Christmas message when people time i sto have fun would be good, etc). At the other side I haven't had anything to share (besides some doc reformats), so I can't make many comments if it had been a forum (besides if I tell you wouldn't answer immediately, have you a twitter account to make social networking), we might have more followers than posters, or just news on milestones, etc Thanks in advance --- El s?b, 24/11/12, Olaf Wagner escribi?: De: Olaf Wagner Asunto: Re: [M3devel] Any survivors? Para: "Dragi?a Duri?" CC: "m3devel" Fecha: s?bado, 24 de noviembre, 2012 06:41 Well, yes, I'm still alive, but I was also astounded by the sudden silence after so much traffic for several months. Is it already the advent of Christmas? Olaf -- Olaf Wagner -- elego Software Solutions GmbH -- http://www.elegosoft.com ? ? ? ? ? ? ???Gustav-Meyer-Allee 25 / Geb?ude 12, 13355 Berlin, Germany phone: +49 30 23 45 86 96? mobile: +49 177 2345 869? fax: +49 30 23 45 86 95 Gesch?ftsf?hrer: Michael Diers, Olaf Wagner | Sitz: Berlin Handelregister: Amtsgericht Charlottenburg HRB 77719 | USt-IdNr: DE163214194 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jay.krell at cornell.edu Wed Nov 28 04:48:05 2012 From: jay.krell at cornell.edu (Jay K) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 03:48:05 +0000 Subject: [M3devel] closure marker Message-ID: I finally did some research.. on PowerPC, 4 bytes 0xFF is a valid opcode.4 bytes of 0 is not. Perhaps the closure marker should be target-dependent?Default to -1?And 0 on PowerPC? Granted, -1 isn't all that common, it is, I think fnmadd. -- floating point negative multiply-add, recording form, operating all on the same register, fr31. And non-leaf functions typically start with "mflr" -- move from link register. But my old 601 manual specifically calls out 0 as invalid opcode -- by design. I still haven't done this research for SPARC, IA64, MIPS, x86, etc.(I'm still susicipious that for IA64, a larger marker should be used, since instructions are in 128bit bundles. As well, for SPARC64, MIPS64, ALPHA64, PPC64, the marker probably need be only 4 bytes, and the aligned check might be more efficient.) - Jay -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dragisha at m3w.org Sat Nov 24 12:18:47 2012 From: dragisha at m3w.org (=?utf-8?Q?Dragi=C5=A1a_Duri=C4=87?=) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2012 12:18:47 +0100 Subject: [M3devel] Any survivors? Message-ID: <899682A1-7A51-4DA6-A131-8A2ECFEED184@m3w.org> -- Divided by a common language Dragi?a Duri? dragisha at m3w.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 495 bytes Desc: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail URL: From wagner at elegosoft.com Sat Nov 24 12:41:59 2012 From: wagner at elegosoft.com (Olaf Wagner) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2012 12:41:59 +0100 Subject: [M3devel] Any survivors? In-Reply-To: <899682A1-7A51-4DA6-A131-8A2ECFEED184@m3w.org> References: <899682A1-7A51-4DA6-A131-8A2ECFEED184@m3w.org> Message-ID: <20121124124159.f53c800fe64a7c61a702e1e0@elegosoft.com> Well, yes, I'm still alive, but I was also astounded by the sudden silence after so much traffic for several months. Is it already the advent of Christmas? Olaf -- Olaf Wagner -- elego Software Solutions GmbH -- http://www.elegosoft.com Gustav-Meyer-Allee 25 / Geb?ude 12, 13355 Berlin, Germany phone: +49 30 23 45 86 96 mobile: +49 177 2345 869 fax: +49 30 23 45 86 95 Gesch?ftsf?hrer: Michael Diers, Olaf Wagner | Sitz: Berlin Handelregister: Amtsgericht Charlottenburg HRB 77719 | USt-IdNr: DE163214194 From hosking at cs.purdue.edu Sat Nov 24 15:52:37 2012 From: hosking at cs.purdue.edu (Antony Hosking) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2012 09:52:37 -0500 Subject: [M3devel] Any survivors? In-Reply-To: <20121124124159.f53c800fe64a7c61a702e1e0@elegosoft.com> References: <899682A1-7A51-4DA6-A131-8A2ECFEED184@m3w.org> <20121124124159.f53c800fe64a7c61a702e1e0@elegosoft.com> Message-ID: Happy thanksgiving! Sent from my iPhone On Nov 24, 2012, at 6:41, Olaf Wagner wrote: > Well, yes, I'm still alive, but I was also astounded by the sudden > silence after so much traffic for several months. > > Is it already the advent of Christmas? > > Olaf > -- > Olaf Wagner -- elego Software Solutions GmbH -- http://www.elegosoft.com > Gustav-Meyer-Allee 25 / Geb?ude 12, 13355 Berlin, Germany > phone: +49 30 23 45 86 96 mobile: +49 177 2345 869 fax: +49 30 23 45 86 95 > Gesch?ftsf?hrer: Michael Diers, Olaf Wagner | Sitz: Berlin > Handelregister: Amtsgericht Charlottenburg HRB 77719 | USt-IdNr: DE163214194 > From dabenavidesd at yahoo.es Sat Nov 24 15:57:54 2012 From: dabenavidesd at yahoo.es (Daniel Alejandro Benavides D.) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2012 14:57:54 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [M3devel] Any survivors? In-Reply-To: <20121124124159.f53c800fe64a7c61a702e1e0@elegosoft.com> Message-ID: <1353769074.67315.YahooMailClassic@web29703.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Hi all: The lost mails, I wrote once to m3support and never was replied by an alert nor a a response (It turns out it didn't matter, as it was an "expected" error and misspelled? m3-support). I think wrong destination, and ocationtal alerts are good ideas (like peak hours in Elego and Christmas message when people time i sto have fun would be good, etc). At the other side I haven't had anything to share (besides some doc reformats), so I can't make many comments if it had been a forum (besides if I tell you wouldn't answer immediately, have you a twitter account to make social networking), we might have more followers than posters, or just news on milestones, etc Thanks in advance --- El s?b, 24/11/12, Olaf Wagner escribi?: De: Olaf Wagner Asunto: Re: [M3devel] Any survivors? Para: "Dragi?a Duri?" CC: "m3devel" Fecha: s?bado, 24 de noviembre, 2012 06:41 Well, yes, I'm still alive, but I was also astounded by the sudden silence after so much traffic for several months. Is it already the advent of Christmas? Olaf -- Olaf Wagner -- elego Software Solutions GmbH -- http://www.elegosoft.com ? ? ? ? ? ? ???Gustav-Meyer-Allee 25 / Geb?ude 12, 13355 Berlin, Germany phone: +49 30 23 45 86 96? mobile: +49 177 2345 869? fax: +49 30 23 45 86 95 Gesch?ftsf?hrer: Michael Diers, Olaf Wagner | Sitz: Berlin Handelregister: Amtsgericht Charlottenburg HRB 77719 | USt-IdNr: DE163214194 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jay.krell at cornell.edu Wed Nov 28 04:48:05 2012 From: jay.krell at cornell.edu (Jay K) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 03:48:05 +0000 Subject: [M3devel] closure marker Message-ID: I finally did some research.. on PowerPC, 4 bytes 0xFF is a valid opcode.4 bytes of 0 is not. Perhaps the closure marker should be target-dependent?Default to -1?And 0 on PowerPC? Granted, -1 isn't all that common, it is, I think fnmadd. -- floating point negative multiply-add, recording form, operating all on the same register, fr31. And non-leaf functions typically start with "mflr" -- move from link register. But my old 601 manual specifically calls out 0 as invalid opcode -- by design. I still haven't done this research for SPARC, IA64, MIPS, x86, etc.(I'm still susicipious that for IA64, a larger marker should be used, since instructions are in 128bit bundles. As well, for SPARC64, MIPS64, ALPHA64, PPC64, the marker probably need be only 4 bytes, and the aligned check might be more efficient.) - Jay -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dragisha at m3w.org Sat Nov 24 12:18:47 2012 From: dragisha at m3w.org (=?utf-8?Q?Dragi=C5=A1a_Duri=C4=87?=) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2012 12:18:47 +0100 Subject: [M3devel] Any survivors? Message-ID: <899682A1-7A51-4DA6-A131-8A2ECFEED184@m3w.org> -- Divided by a common language Dragi?a Duri? dragisha at m3w.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 495 bytes Desc: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail URL: From wagner at elegosoft.com Sat Nov 24 12:41:59 2012 From: wagner at elegosoft.com (Olaf Wagner) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2012 12:41:59 +0100 Subject: [M3devel] Any survivors? In-Reply-To: <899682A1-7A51-4DA6-A131-8A2ECFEED184@m3w.org> References: <899682A1-7A51-4DA6-A131-8A2ECFEED184@m3w.org> Message-ID: <20121124124159.f53c800fe64a7c61a702e1e0@elegosoft.com> Well, yes, I'm still alive, but I was also astounded by the sudden silence after so much traffic for several months. Is it already the advent of Christmas? Olaf -- Olaf Wagner -- elego Software Solutions GmbH -- http://www.elegosoft.com Gustav-Meyer-Allee 25 / Geb?ude 12, 13355 Berlin, Germany phone: +49 30 23 45 86 96 mobile: +49 177 2345 869 fax: +49 30 23 45 86 95 Gesch?ftsf?hrer: Michael Diers, Olaf Wagner | Sitz: Berlin Handelregister: Amtsgericht Charlottenburg HRB 77719 | USt-IdNr: DE163214194 From hosking at cs.purdue.edu Sat Nov 24 15:52:37 2012 From: hosking at cs.purdue.edu (Antony Hosking) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2012 09:52:37 -0500 Subject: [M3devel] Any survivors? In-Reply-To: <20121124124159.f53c800fe64a7c61a702e1e0@elegosoft.com> References: <899682A1-7A51-4DA6-A131-8A2ECFEED184@m3w.org> <20121124124159.f53c800fe64a7c61a702e1e0@elegosoft.com> Message-ID: Happy thanksgiving! Sent from my iPhone On Nov 24, 2012, at 6:41, Olaf Wagner wrote: > Well, yes, I'm still alive, but I was also astounded by the sudden > silence after so much traffic for several months. > > Is it already the advent of Christmas? > > Olaf > -- > Olaf Wagner -- elego Software Solutions GmbH -- http://www.elegosoft.com > Gustav-Meyer-Allee 25 / Geb?ude 12, 13355 Berlin, Germany > phone: +49 30 23 45 86 96 mobile: +49 177 2345 869 fax: +49 30 23 45 86 95 > Gesch?ftsf?hrer: Michael Diers, Olaf Wagner | Sitz: Berlin > Handelregister: Amtsgericht Charlottenburg HRB 77719 | USt-IdNr: DE163214194 > From dabenavidesd at yahoo.es Sat Nov 24 15:57:54 2012 From: dabenavidesd at yahoo.es (Daniel Alejandro Benavides D.) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2012 14:57:54 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [M3devel] Any survivors? In-Reply-To: <20121124124159.f53c800fe64a7c61a702e1e0@elegosoft.com> Message-ID: <1353769074.67315.YahooMailClassic@web29703.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Hi all: The lost mails, I wrote once to m3support and never was replied by an alert nor a a response (It turns out it didn't matter, as it was an "expected" error and misspelled? m3-support). I think wrong destination, and ocationtal alerts are good ideas (like peak hours in Elego and Christmas message when people time i sto have fun would be good, etc). At the other side I haven't had anything to share (besides some doc reformats), so I can't make many comments if it had been a forum (besides if I tell you wouldn't answer immediately, have you a twitter account to make social networking), we might have more followers than posters, or just news on milestones, etc Thanks in advance --- El s?b, 24/11/12, Olaf Wagner escribi?: De: Olaf Wagner Asunto: Re: [M3devel] Any survivors? Para: "Dragi?a Duri?" CC: "m3devel" Fecha: s?bado, 24 de noviembre, 2012 06:41 Well, yes, I'm still alive, but I was also astounded by the sudden silence after so much traffic for several months. Is it already the advent of Christmas? Olaf -- Olaf Wagner -- elego Software Solutions GmbH -- http://www.elegosoft.com ? ? ? ? ? ? ???Gustav-Meyer-Allee 25 / Geb?ude 12, 13355 Berlin, Germany phone: +49 30 23 45 86 96? mobile: +49 177 2345 869? fax: +49 30 23 45 86 95 Gesch?ftsf?hrer: Michael Diers, Olaf Wagner | Sitz: Berlin Handelregister: Amtsgericht Charlottenburg HRB 77719 | USt-IdNr: DE163214194 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jay.krell at cornell.edu Wed Nov 28 04:48:05 2012 From: jay.krell at cornell.edu (Jay K) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 03:48:05 +0000 Subject: [M3devel] closure marker Message-ID: I finally did some research.. on PowerPC, 4 bytes 0xFF is a valid opcode.4 bytes of 0 is not. Perhaps the closure marker should be target-dependent?Default to -1?And 0 on PowerPC? Granted, -1 isn't all that common, it is, I think fnmadd. -- floating point negative multiply-add, recording form, operating all on the same register, fr31. And non-leaf functions typically start with "mflr" -- move from link register. But my old 601 manual specifically calls out 0 as invalid opcode -- by design. I still haven't done this research for SPARC, IA64, MIPS, x86, etc.(I'm still susicipious that for IA64, a larger marker should be used, since instructions are in 128bit bundles. As well, for SPARC64, MIPS64, ALPHA64, PPC64, the marker probably need be only 4 bytes, and the aligned check might be more efficient.) - Jay -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: