[M3devel] question on File.Status.size

Daniel Alejandro Benavides Diaz danielal.benavides at bancoagrario.gov.co
Mon Sep 30 20:14:39 CEST 2013

Hi all:
BTW, tis brings back the issue of LONGADDRESS, since such a type would allow implementation of LONGINT subranges ordinal types.
The VAX9000 which had a very orthogonal ISA, had the extended address bus and addressing of34 bits, in a 32-bit CPU.
So technically, it wouldn't be orthogonal to not implement all ordinal types INTEGER subranges. Modula-3 type systems is orthogonal by definition (at least).
It also brings back a proposal I sketched some time ago about of width subtyping LONGINT and WIDECHAR of INTEGER and CHAR types correspondingly .
Thanks in advance

De: Tony Hosking [mailto:hosking at cs.purdue.edu]
Enviado el: Monday, 30 de September de 2013 10:46 a.m.
Para: Coleburn, Randy
CC: m3devel; Jay K
Asunto: Re: [M3devel] question on File.Status.size

Indeed, I wonder if it should be Long.T instead of LONGCARD, because I am uneasy with the assumption that the representation might not change.
(I can imagine a world where there is no LONGINT, and in which Long.T has some different representation than LONGINT.)
Now, on the other hand, POSIX specifies file sizes to be off_t, which is signed, whereas Long.T is meant to be thought of as unsigned.

So, should M3 adopt the POSIX spec that a file size is a signed value?  In which case I suppose LONGCARD makes sense.

On Sep 30, 2013, at 9:49 AM, "Coleburn, Randy" <rcolebur at SCIRES.COM<mailto:rcolebur at SCIRES.COM>> wrote:

I haven't looked at the various underlying implementations of File.T but have they all been adjusted to deal with FS.Status.size now being a LONGCARD while the internal buffers are limited to arrays whose length can be no more than INTEGER?

If so, then I guess I need to adjust my code to deal with bigger files (even though my code won't actually use bigger files).

I'm not complaining. I just want to make sure this interface change has been well thought out and implemented and is going to persist before I embark on changes to code that has been in production for years.

Randy Coleburn

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On Sep 30, 2013, at 12:48 AM, "Jay K" <jay.krell at cornell.edu<mailto:jay.krell at cornell.edu>> wrote:
 > NUMBER(array) to yield a LONGCARD

  This can't be.
  Arrays are in-memory data structures.
  INTEGER/CARDINAL are an appropriate type
  to hold the size of something fits in memory/address-space.
  INTEGER is like C's ptrdiff_t.
  CARDINAL is kind of like C's size_t, except it is half range.
  Word.T is kind of like C's size_t, except it has no convenient in-fix operators.

  Files commonly do not fit in memory/address-space.
  So they arguably should have their size stored
  in a larger type.

 I think there is no easy answer here.

 I would be ok with:
   - put it back to INTEGER/CARDINAL
   - expose another way new way to get a LONGCARD

 - Jay

From: rcolebur at SCIRES.COM<mailto:rcolebur at SCIRES.COM>
To: m3devel at elegosoft.com<mailto:m3devel at elegosoft.com>
Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2013 22:59:35 +0000
Subject: [M3devel] question on File.Status.size
I've been trying to rebuild all my developed software using my newly rebuilt cm3 from the HEAD branch.

I've run into some new build errors and have a question.

It seems the type of File.Status.size has been changed to LONGCARD.

I have some code that now fails to build because of this change.

I suppose this interface change is an attempt to better deal with files whose size in bytes is larger than MAX(CARDINAL).

So, for example:
   fs := FS.Status(file);
   INC(numBytes, fs.size);
no longer works if numBytes is defined as a CARDINAL.  Of course, I can change its type to be LONGCARD, but there will be a ripple effect throughout the code.

Has the language definition also been updated to allow NUMBER(array) to yield a LONGCARD ?
(Interface File uses open arrays)

In my old language definition, it says that:
An open array type declaration has the form:

    TYPE T = ARRAY OF Element
where Element is any type. The values of T are arrays whose element type is Element and whose length is arbitrary. The index type of an open array is the INTEGER subrange [0..n-1], where n is the length of the array.
In the past NUMBER(x) always yielded a CARDINAL, not a LONGCARD.  So, if this has changed, I'll need to do some more updates across my code base.

How does one know in advance if NUMBER(x) is going to yield a CARDINAL or a LONGCARD value, esp. for open arrays?

Randy Coleburn

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