[M3devel] Re: porting m3 on intel mac

Antony Hosking hosking at cs.purdue.edu
Sun Jan 21 23:55:59 CET 2007


Can you try downgrading to an older version of XCode and see how  
things go?  I am using a version of 2.3.x.  I am worried about the  
failure of stubgen in your build of zeus, which points to a possible  
problem with your installation.

On 21/01/2007, at 5:40 PM, Antony Hosking wrote:

> PS:  It looks like there are issues with the XCode 2.4.x assembler:
>
> 	http://www.mail-archive.com/fink-devel@lists.sourceforge.net/ 
> msg14326.html
>
> Let me see what else I can dig up.
>
> On 21/01/2007, at 5:32 PM, Antony Hosking wrote:
>
>> On 21/01/2007, at 5:06 PM, Renzo Orsini wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On Jan 21, 2007, at 22:57, Antony Hosking wrote:
>>>
>>>> For some reason your .stabs entries are different than mine, but  
>>>> otherwise the assembler files are the same.  Are you using the  
>>>> cm3cg and cm3.cfg from my ftp site?
>>>
>>> Yes, downloaded a few hours ago.
>>>
>>>
>>>>   Here is the version of the assembler that I have on my Intel Mac:
>>>>
>>>> Apple Computer, Inc. version cctools-590.42.1.obj~1, GNU  
>>>> assembler version 1.38
>>>
>>> The mine is:
>>>
>>> Apple Computer, Inc. version cctools-622.5.obj~13, GNU assembler  
>>> version 1.38
>>> (If it useful, my Xcode is 2.4.1, with Xcode IDE: 762.0, Xcode  
>>> Core: 762.0, ToolSupport: 764.0, [From About XCode menu])
>>>
>>
>> Hmmm -- different versions of the assembler.  Probably some flag  
>> needs adjusting.
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> With respect to zeus, can you build with -verbose in the zeus  
>>>> directory and send me the output?  Sounds like one of the tools  
>>>> is not getting built properly.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Ok, I am sending it as attachment
>>>
>>> <zeusoutput.txt.zip>
>>>
>>
>> Sorry, wrong option.  Please run with -commands.  I suspect  
>> stubgen is failing for you.
>>
>>
>>> Renzo
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 21/01/2007, at 4:47 PM, Renzo Orsini wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> You can find in the attachment the program and the compilation.
>>>>>
>>>>> Renzo
>>>>>
>>>>> <Archive.zip>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jan 21, 2007, at 22:34, Antony Hosking wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 21/01/2007, at 4:27 PM, Renzo Orsini wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jan 21, 2007, at 21:49, Antony Hosking wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 21/01/2007, at 7:59 AM, Renzo Orsini wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hello and lot of thanks!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Everything is working really fine!
>>>>>>>>> The configuration: MacBookPro, MacOSX 10.4.8, XCode 2.4.1  
>>>>>>>>> (gcc 4.0.1), X11 installed, latest cm3 sources (with  
>>>>>>>>> anonymous CVS),
>>>>>>>>> The process:
>>>>>>>>> 1. unpacked cm3-min-POSIX-PPC_DARWIN-5.4.0.tgz
>>>>>>>>> 2. installed as super-user (every answer left as default,  
>>>>>>>>> the only problem is the fact that motif is missing, ignoring)
>>>>>>>>> 3. replacing cm3, cm3.cfg, cm3cg from ftp:// 
>>>>>>>>> ftp.cs.purdue.edu/pub/hosking/m3/I386_DARWIN
>>>>>>>>> 3. running as su:
>>>>>>>>>       do-cm3-core.sh buildship
>>>>>>>>>       install-cm3-compiler.sh upgrade
>>>>>>>>>       do-cm3-std.sh buildship
>>>>>>>>> everything is ok a part from producing about a zillion of  
>>>>>>>>> assembler (?) warnings ("xxx.ms:nnn:indirect jmp without `*'),
>>>>>>>>> and failing at the end the compilation of package zeus  
>>>>>>>>> (which I suppose is an old issue)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That's odd since my builds go through cleanly.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is an example of the strange "indirect jump" message:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> pborsini:~/ProveModula3 orsini$ cat Main.m3
>>>>>>> MODULE Main; IMPORT IO; BEGIN IO.Put("Hello World\n"); END Main.
>>>>>>> pborsini:~/ProveModula3 orsini$ cm3
>>>>>>> --- building in I386_DARWIN ---
>>>>>>> new source -> compiling Main.m3
>>>>>>> Main.ms:101:indirect jmp without `*'
>>>>>>> -> linking prog
>>>>>>> _m3main.ms:74:indirect jmp without `*'
>>>>>>> _m3main.ms:89:indirect jmp without `*'
>>>>>>> _m3main.ms:108:indirect jmp without `*'
>>>>>>> pborsini:~/ProveModula3 orsini$ ./I386_DARWIN/prog
>>>>>>> Hello World
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> maybe there is some problem with the linker parameters,  
>>>>>>> however the progrum runs ok.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can you compile with "-keep" and send me the relevant .ms  
>>>>>> file?  I can compare with mine.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For what concerns zeus: the following is the output of cm3:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> === package /Users/orsini/modula3/cvsstuff/cm3/m3-ui/zeus ===
>>>>>>> +++ cm3 -build -override -DROOT='/Users/orsini/modula3/ 
>>>>>>> cvsstuff/cm3'  +++
>>>>>>> --- building in I386_DARWIN ---
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> new source -> compiling RemoteView_T_v1.i3
>>>>>>> "../I386_DARWIN/RemoteView_T_v1.i3", line 1: syntax error:  
>>>>>>> missing INTERFACE or MODULE keyword
>>>>>>> "../I386_DARWIN/RemoteView_T_v1.i3", line 1: unable to find  
>>>>>>> interface (<missing id>)
>>>>>>> "../I386_DARWIN/RemoteView_T_v1.i3", line 1: warning: file  
>>>>>>> name (RemoteView_T_v1.i3) doesn't match module name (<missing  
>>>>>>> id>)
>>>>>>> 2 errors and 1 warning encountered
>>>>>>> new source -> compiling RemoteView_T_v1.m3
>>>>>>> "../I386_DARWIN/RemoteView_T_v1.m3", line 1: syntax error:  
>>>>>>> missing INTERFACE or MODULE keyword
>>>>>>> "../I386_DARWIN/RemoteView_T_v1.m3", line 1: unable to find  
>>>>>>> interface (<missing id>)
>>>>>>> "../I386_DARWIN/RemoteView_T_v1.m3", line 1: warning: file  
>>>>>>> name (RemoteView_T_v1.m3) doesn't match module name (<missing  
>>>>>>> id>)
>>>>>>> 2 errors and 1 warning encountered
>>>>>>> compilation failed => not building library "libm3zeus.a"
>>>>>>> Fatal Error: package build failed
>>>>>>> *** execution of  failed ***
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (and the files RemoteView_T_v1.i3 and RemoteView_T_v1.m3 are  
>>>>>>> empty in I386_DARWIN, and they do not exists in src)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Several other packages cannot be compiled, like many obliq  
>>>>>>> ones, webvt, June and mentor.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> However the compiler seems to work for compiling my stuff,  
>>>>>>> altough I have to make a few corrections and debugging.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This sounds problematic since it implies that the generators  
>>>>>> for those files are not working correctly.  (If you run with "- 
>>>>>> commands" you'll see which generator programs are being used.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Renzo
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So, thank again to all and each of you, I am now very happy  
>>>>>>>>> and busy by bringing our old modula-3 software to the new  
>>>>>>>>> century!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Cordially,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Renzo Orsini
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Jan 21, 2007, at 0:33, Darko wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The latest, 10.4.8, also the latest XCode, which I think  
>>>>>>>>>> updates gcc. You were addressing me weren't you? But Renzo  
>>>>>>>>>> might like to answer that question too. XCode weighs in at  
>>>>>>>>>> about 1G, by the way.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 21/01/2007, at 7:58 AM, Antony Hosking wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> What version of OSX are you using?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 20/01/2007, at 5:49 PM, Darko wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> No worries. I'm not familiar at all with those scripts.  
>>>>>>>>>>>> The problem you are having may be to do with not having  
>>>>>>>>>>>> the latest source, but it most probably has to do with  
>>>>>>>>>>>> the version of gcc that is active on your machine. C  
>>>>>>>>>>>> files are not compiled by cm3 but rather call gcc  
>>>>>>>>>>>> directly. I can't remember which version of gcc is the  
>>>>>>>>>>>> correct one, but mine currently is i686-apple-darwin8- 
>>>>>>>>>>>> gcc-4.0.1; also I can't remember the command line for  
>>>>>>>>>>>> changing gcc versions. Tony may be able to help re the  
>>>>>>>>>>>> correct version if 4.0.1 doesn't work. You may need to  
>>>>>>>>>>>> install the latest XCode from http://developer.apple.com  
>>>>>>>>>>>> if you don't have 4.01.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I've cc'd the list because they're actually very helpful  
>>>>>>>>>>>> and my knowledge is limited...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> - Darko
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 21/01/2007, at 6:58 AM, Renzo Orsini wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> First of all, thank you very much for your immediate help!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I downloaded the files and replaced the corresponding / 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> usr/local/cm3/bin files,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> modified cm3.cfg by replacing INSTALL_ROOT = "/usr/ 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> local/cm3-i386/" with INSTALL_ROOT = "/usr/local/cm3/"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> then in the full source (last version, 5.4.0) I did:  
>>>>>>>>>>>>> scripts/do-cm3-core.sh buildship
>>>>>>>>>>>>> this is the result:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  root#./do-cm3-core.sh buildship
>>>>>>>>>>>>> CM3C =
>>>>>>>>>>>>> /Users/orsini/cm3/cm3-src-all-5.4.0/scripts/pkgmap.sh - 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> c "cm3 -build  -DROOT='/Users/orsini/cm3/cm3-src- 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> all-5.4.0'  && cm3 -ship -DROOT='/Users/orsini/cm3/cm3- 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> src-all-5.4.0' " m3gc-simple m3core libm3  
>>>>>>>>>>>>> patternmatching m3middle m3linker m3front m3quake m3cc  
>>>>>>>>>>>>> cm3 m3scanner m3tools m3cgcat m3cggen m3bundle  
>>>>>>>>>>>>> bitvector digraph parseparams realgeometry set slisp  
>>>>>>>>>>>>> sortedtableextras table-list tempfiles
>>>>>>>>>>>>> === package /Users/orsini/cm3/cm3-src-all-5.4.0/m3-libs/ 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> m3gc-simple ===
>>>>>>>>>>>>> +++ cm3 -build  -DROOT='/Users/orsini/cm3/cm3-src- 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> all-5.4.0'  && cm3 -ship -DROOT='/Users/orsini/cm3/cm3- 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> src-all-5.4.0'  +++
>>>>>>>>>>>>> --- building in I386_DARWIN ---
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> new source -> compiling RTVM.c
>>>>>>>>>>>>> new source -> compiling sysdeps.c
>>>>>>>>>>>>> new source -> compiling accept.c
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ../src/runtime/I386_DARWIN/accept.c: In function  
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'm3_accept':
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ../src/runtime/I386_DARWIN/accept.c:13: warning:  
>>>>>>>>>>>>> pointer targets in passing argument 3 of 'accept'  
>>>>>>>>>>>>> differ in signedness
>>>>>>>>>>>>> new source -> compiling bind.c
>>>>>>>>>>>>> new source -> compiling close.c
>>>>>>>>>>>>> new source -> compiling connect.c
>>>>>>>>>>>>> new source -> compiling dup.c
>>>>>>>>>>>>> new source -> compiling dup2.c
>>>>>>>>>>>>> new source -> compiling gethostbyaddr.c
>>>>>>>>>>>>> new source -> compiling gethostbyname.c
>>>>>>>>>>>>> new source -> compiling getpeername.c
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ../src/runtime/I386_DARWIN/getpeername.c: In function  
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'm3_getpeername':
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ../src/runtime/I386_DARWIN/getpeername.c:13: warning:  
>>>>>>>>>>>>> pointer targets in passing argument 3 of 'getpeername'  
>>>>>>>>>>>>> differ in signedness
>>>>>>>>>>>>> new source -> compiling getsockname.c
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ../src/runtime/I386_DARWIN/getsockname.c: In function  
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'm3_getsockname':
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ../src/runtime/I386_DARWIN/getsockname.c:13: warning:  
>>>>>>>>>>>>> pointer targets in passing argument 3 of 'getsockname'  
>>>>>>>>>>>>> differ in signedness
>>>>>>>>>>>>> new source -> compiling listen.c
>>>>>>>>>>>>> new source -> compiling read.c
>>>>>>>>>>>>> new source -> compiling recv.c
>>>>>>>>>>>>> new source -> compiling recvfrom.c
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ../src/runtime/I386_DARWIN/recvfrom.c: In function  
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'm3_recvfrom':
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ../src/runtime/I386_DARWIN/recvfrom.c:15: warning:  
>>>>>>>>>>>>> pointer targets in passing argument 6 of 'recvfrom'  
>>>>>>>>>>>>> differ in signedness
>>>>>>>>>>>>> new source -> compiling select.c
>>>>>>>>>>>>> new source -> compiling send.c
>>>>>>>>>>>>> new source -> compiling sendto.c
>>>>>>>>>>>>> new source -> compiling shutdown.c
>>>>>>>>>>>>> new source -> compiling socket.c
>>>>>>>>>>>>> new source -> compiling write.c
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -> archiving libm3gcdefs.a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ld: common symbols not allowed with MH_DYLIB output  
>>>>>>>>>>>>> format with the -multi_module option
>>>>>>>>>>>>> sysdeps.o definition of common _RTCSRC_FinishVM (size 16)
>>>>>>>>>>>>> sysdeps.o definition of common _RTHeapRep_Fault (size 16)
>>>>>>>>>>>>> /usr/bin/libtool: internal link edit command failed
>>>>>>>>>>>>> --- shipping from I386_DARWIN ---
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> . => /usr/local/cm3/pkg/m3gc-simple/I386_DARWIN
>>>>>>>>>>>>>   .M3EXPORTS        libm3gcdefs.5.2.dylib"/Users/orsini/ 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> cm3/cm3-src-all-5.4.0/m3-libs/m3gc-simple/ 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I386_DARWIN/.M3SHIP", line 3: quake runtime error:  
>>>>>>>>>>>>> unable to copy "libm3gcdefs.5.2.dylib" to "/usr/local/ 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> cm3/pkg/m3gc-simple/I386_DARWIN/libm3gcdefs.5.2.dylib":  
>>>>>>>>>>>>> errno=2
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> --procedure--  -line-  -file---
>>>>>>>>>>>>> install_file       --  <builtin>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                     3  /Users/orsini/cm3/cm3-src- 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> all-5.4.0/m3-libs/m3gc-simple/I386_DARWIN/.M3SHIP
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fatal Error: package build failed
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *** execution of  failed ***
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ======
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I noticed that not all the .c files in .../m3-libs/m3gc- 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> simple/src/runtime/I386_DARWIN/ where compiled, but I  
>>>>>>>>>>>>> do not know if this is a normal behaviour.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks in advance for your time and patience!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cordially
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Renzo Orsini
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 20, 2007, at 19:02, Darko wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Have a look here: ftp://ftp.cs.purdue.edu/pub/hosking/ 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> m3/I386_DARWIN/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There you'll find the bits you need for Mac Intel.  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Replace your existing cm3, cmcg and cm3.cfg with the  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ones there, then you can compile the basic libraries  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you need like m3core and libm3, but make sure you have  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the latest sources.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think they're the latest but Tony may have something  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more to say about that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Darko.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 21/01/2007, at 1:41 AM, Olaf Wagner wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jan 20, 2007 at 03:05:55PM +0100, Renzo  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Orsini wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I  installed cm3-min-POSIX-PPC_DARWIN-5.4.0.tgz on  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an intel mac, then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tried to a compile a Hello world program, but the  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> compilation failed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with the following message:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pborsini:~/ProveModula3 orsini$ cm3
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --- building in PPC_DARWIN ---
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> new source -> compiling Main.m3
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "../Main.m3", line 4: warning: potentially unhandled  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exception: IO.Error
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1 warning encountered
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Main.ms:12:no such instruction: `mflr r0'
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Main.ms:13:no such instruction: `stmw r30,-8(r1)'
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Main.ms:14:no such instruction: `stw r0,8(r1)'
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Main.ms:15:no such instruction: `stwu r1,-96(r1)'
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Main.ms:16:no such instruction: `mr r30,r1'
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Main.ms:17:no such instruction: `bcl  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 20,31,"L00000000001$pb"'
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ....
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So I suppose there is PPC code to assemble and the  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rosetta emulator
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for PPC on intel macs cannot do anything for this!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Since I would like to port the Fibonacci language  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for databases,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which is written in Modula-3, if I understand well  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the situation I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should port the Modula-3 compiler by cross compiling  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it on a PPC mac,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or something like that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am asking you if you know about some effort of  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> porting Modula-3 on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> intel macs, or at least if you let me know if this  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> operation is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> possible (and also reasonably feasible in terms of  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> expertise, given my teaching duties and my  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> difficulties with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> assembler languages!), and, if so, if you can point  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> me to the correct
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> documentation to start with. Of course I will be  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> very glad to give
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> back to the community the result if I succeed!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you very much for your attention.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cordially
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Renzo Orsini
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Associate Professor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dipartimento di Informatica
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Universita' Ca' Foscari di Venezia
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, I wouldn't have thought that you were even able  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to install
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the cm3-min-POSIX-PPC_DARWIN-5.4.0.tgz system on an  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Intel machine;
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's surely not supposed to run on one. It shouldn't  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be too
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> difficult to get a port of the latest CM3 for Darwin  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on Intel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> processors; I even think somebody was already working  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on it,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but I don't really remember who, so I forward your  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mail to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the m3devel list, in case others have already started  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> such an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> effort.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Olaf
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>>>>>>>>>>> Antony Hosking                | Associate Professor
>>>>>>>>>>> Dept of Computer Sciences     | Office: (765) 494-6001
>>>>>>>>>>> Purdue University             | Mobile: (765) 427-5484
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>>>>>>>>>>> ~hosking
>>>>>>>>>>>   _--_|\
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>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Antony Hosking                | Associate Professor
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>>>>>>>> Purdue University             | Mobile: (765) 427-5484
>>>>>>>> 250 N. University Street      | hosking at cs.purdue.edu
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>>>>>>>> ~hosking
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Antony Hosking                | Associate Professor
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>>>>>> Purdue University             | Mobile: (765) 427-5484
>>>>>> 250 N. University Street      | hosking at cs.purdue.edu
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>>>>>>   _--_|\
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>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Antony Hosking                | Associate Professor
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>>>
>>
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