[M3devel] SVN migration, also promotion

[Dragiša Durić]

And, I forgot to mention probable impact on public with more organized
development of CM3. Most people, and I have few friends from C++/D world
who look regularly at Modula-3, don't see our little community as too
organized force. OSS world moved on since CVS became widespread.
Separated web, no wiki, no tickets. Source history surfable with one
tool, web (best looking in lynx, don't even try something else:) built
with other, no real effort to document in depth.

Few weeks ago there was mention about possible promotion time. With
state of Modula-3 system we are all aware of, it is excellent idea. Only
problem is - other people must collect plethora of information from
plethora of sources. 99% of them will stop at first obstacle, and we
have a lot of them ready.

One example.. Yesterday, I came over Mr. Hosking's commit log on m3devel
archive. All nice - except text went off right side of my screen some
two meters. Most people will pass on - one more unreadable mail archive
on the web. I've used CVS to read it, of course. But most people will
not know alternatives, or not care - why would they if we don't care??

Similiar communities are spoiling their "followers", but we Modula-3
people are "it's all out there, you are not getting it? Pity!".

dd


On Sun, 2008-03-16 at 00:29 +0100, Dragiša Durić wrote:
> Saw. Read.
> 
> SVN is sort of mature, finished CVS. I am 100% sure I don't have your
> SCM experience, but if SVN's only advantage was trac integration I think
> it would be more than enough reason to move to it.
> 
> Trac's got wiki for documentation, very granular access control, nice
> hyperlinking mechanism for changesets-wiki-tickets-... Whoever gets a
> bit of free time and inspiration, with trac he can contribute to cm3 in
> some way. We definitely can have better flow of information with it.
> 
> I don't know much what you mean under "existing infrastructure".
> Building/testing insfrastructure? Access to CVS repo? 
> 
> dd
> 
> On Sat, 2008-03-15 at 19:03 +0100, Olaf Wagner wrote:
> > Quoting Dragiša Durić <dragisha at m3w.org>:
> > 
> > > Why don't we migrate to SVN?
> > >
> > > It's piece of cake to convert CVS repo, and IIRC it can be done
> > > incrementally.
> > 
> > See https://mail.elegosoft.com/pipermail/m3devel/2008-January/000803.html
> > and https://mail.elegosoft.com/pipermail/m3devel/2008-January/000855.html
> > 
> > > What I think would be real benefit is trac - we can do
> > > some real cooperation and documenting using it.
> > 
> > There already is a trac installation on www.elegosoft.com to
> > which some old PRs from our GNATs system have been copied. It's
> > not really integrated to CVS and tinderbox yet; I haven't had time
> > to really test it since our system administrator set it up. So
> > there's still some work to do.
> > 
> > I'll talk to Ronny on monday if we can open trac write access
> > for all M3 users.
> > 
> > It's at https://bugs.elego.de/cm3/.
> > 
> > > CVSup is real nice tool, but whoever needs local repo can have it using
> > > rsync. I don't think it would make big oberhead anywhere, not these days
> > > and this hardware/bandwidth we usually have today.
> > 
> > But it would break existing infrastructure. I for one haven't got time
> > to spent on setting up something different again.
> > 
> > Olaf
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Dragiša Durić <dragisha at m3w.org>