[M3devel] Help finding CM3 compiler for Linux?

Wed Apr 1 22:55:46 CEST 2009

er, actually, the two level shouldn't be too bad, given that cminstall extracts the second level..so I don't know. "Usual two level" as in "usual Modula-3 two level", not usual outside Modula-3. But again, your experience was much worse than intended. There is a cm3.cfg file but it had a small but fatal bug.

 - Jay

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> From: jay.krell at cornell.edu
> To: mika at async.caltech.edu
> CC: m3devel at elegosoft.com
> Subject: RE: [M3devel] Help finding CM3 compiler for Linux?
> Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 20:51:22 +0000
>
>
> Thank you Mika. There is a cm3.cfg file, but it had a small bug.
> Actually if you look the cm3.cfg file was probably a mere one line that includes LINUXLIBC6. That is probably overly confusing for anyone trying to understand how it works.
>
> If you repeat the experiment with the 5.7.1 archives you should find it easier.
> The not easy cheat is to take cm3cfg.common from current source tree.
>
> If you repeat it with a NOT yet existing archive that I have in mind, even easier, however not for all platforms -- i.e. no need to set LD_LIBRARY_PATH, on platforms that support $ORIGIN, but again, not yet. NT386 is already easy this way, since the .dlls are in the bin directory and that is searched; that is NT386-specific.
>
> I also need to get m3gdb and cm3ide into it.
>
>> It seems to me it would be quite easy to package this up, maybe even
>> with cminstall? That would be easiest I think, to cminstall the whole
>
> I deliberately don't.
> I find cminstall not very worthwhile.
> Try the 5.7.1 archive and see what you think?
>
> What you are saying I guess is you like the "one level archive" instead of the usual "two level". Agreed. One level can be easily achieved and have cminstall do a copy instead of untargz. But I also find cminstall not all that worthwhile (as I've said..).
>
>
> - Jay
>
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>> To: jay.krell at cornell.edu
>> CC: m3devel at elegosoft.com
>> Subject: Re: [M3devel] Help finding CM3 compiler for Linux?
>> Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 09:59:45 -0700
>> From: mika at async.caltech.edu
>>
>>
>> I have to say that once I figured out what I needed to do, using
>> Jay's distributions was easy---easier than I'm used to with CM3.
>>
>> All I had to do was: untar the -std dist (forget the min one).
>>
>> Set PATH and LD_LIBRARY_PATH
>>
>> And then---the mysterious part, which takes more than passing knowledge
>> of how CM3 works---providing a cm3.cfg file, which doesn't seem to be
>> provided at all by Jay's archive.
>>
>> It seems to me it would be quite easy to package this up, maybe even
>> with cminstall? That would be easiest I think, to cminstall the whole
>> dist rather than cminstalling just the -min and then making people build
>> their own compiler, libraries, and demo apps...
>>
>> Mika
>>
>> Jay writes:
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>>>Olaf=2C in the LINUXLIBC6 configuration=2C try putting --32 on the as/gas i=
>>>nvocations.
>>>
>>>You mentioned --32 on cm3=2C but I wonder if you meant -m32 on cm3.
>>>
>>> cm3 -m32=20
>>>
>>> as --32=20
>>>
>>>=20
>>>
>>>or check the man pages or help. They aren't consistent=2C for more reasons =
>>>than shown here (e.g. MIPS has -mabi64=2C and I think AIX has something els=
>>>e=2C and HP-UX gcc supports none of these -- no bi-arch support).
>>>
>>>=20
>>>
>>>> probably be easiest to use a real 32 bit system and start from 5.4.0
>>>> again.
>>>
>>>
>>>Using any current system should be plenty easy too.
>>>
>>>e.g. the distributions I put up. :)
>>>
>>>=20
>>>
>>>AMD64_LINUX should be a good starting point=2C but I haven't tried it in a =
>>>bit.
>>>
>>>=20
>>>
>>>I should be able to build a current LINUXLIBC6 very very soon.
>>>
>>>I guess I can install FreeBSD 7.1..which I'd been meaning to anyway to test=
>>> a switch to the "new" Unix *.i3 files.
>>>
>>>=20
>>>
>>>I'll be using python/make-dist.py though.
>>>
>>>I do need to get more packages into it though=2C e.g. cm3ide and m3gdb.
>>>
>>>=20
>>>
>>> - Jay
>>>=20
>>>> Date: Wed=2C 1 Apr 2009 11:11:53 +0200
>>>> From: wagner at elegosoft.com
>>>> To: m3devel at elegosoft.com
>>>> CC: mand at elego.de=3B m3-support at elego.de
>>>> Subject: Re: [M3devel] Help finding CM3 compiler for Linux?
>>>>=20
>>>> Quoting Mika Nystrom :
>>>>=20
>>>>>
>>>>> Is there any documentation for this format beyond what you just
>>>>> wrote? Where?
>>>>=20
>>>> Well=2C yes=2C that's the problem with these kinds of archives:
>>>>=20
>>>> (1) they're not well tested and
>>>> (2) there's no documentation user's can rely on
>>>>=20
>>>> This doesn't mean that I disapprove or want to criticise the contributors=
>>>=2C
>>>> but an official well-documented release with installation notes etc.
>>>> has some advantages. Unfortunately=2C the official releases are really
>>>> outdated now.
>>>>=20
>>>> I succeeded in building current AMD64_LINUX and FreeBSD4 installations
>>>> on our servers for d5.7.1 tonight and was able to build archives for
>>>> FreeBSD binaries and sources=2C but the tooling failed for AMD64_KINUX
>>>> due to changed and missing configuration files. I'll need to have a
>>>> closer look at that=2C some extensions seem to be needed. Anybody who
>>>> feels he can do that faster than me is of course encouraged (I'll have
>>>> little time as usual :-/).
>>>>=20
>>>> It may also turn out to be difficult to produce LINUXLIBC6 binaries=2C
>>>> as birch and other Elego servers are now 64 bit machines=2C and trying
>>>> to use current CM3 with --32 produced lots of assembler errors about
>>>> unsupported instructions on this architecture. As the old installation
>>>> on birch seems to be gone without a chance of being restored=2C it will
>>>> probably be easiest to use a real 32 bit system and start from 5.4.0
>>>> again.
>>>>=20
>>>> Anybody who wants to help should be able to build the binary
>>>> archives for LINUXLIBC with cm3/scripts/make-bin-dist-min.sh
>>>> easily and upload them to birch at
>>>>=20
>>>> /var/www/modula3.elegosoft.com/cm3/uploaded-archives
>>>>=20
>>>> My guess is that tinderbox will take some time to run smoothly again=2C
>>>> as it was highly customized=2C and I'm not sure if these customizations
>>>> survied the crash.
>>>>=20
>>>> Please stay tuned and thanks for all your patience=2C
>>>>=20
>>>> Olaf
>>>> --=20
>>>> Olaf Wagner -- elego Software Solutions GmbH
>>>> Gustav-Meyer-Allee 25 / Geb=E4ude 12=2C 13355 Berlin=2C Germany
>>>> phone: +49 30 23 45 86 96 mobile: +49 177 2345 869 fax: +49 30 23 45 86 9=
>>>5
>>>> http://www.elegosoft.com | Gesch=E4ftsf=FChrer: Olaf Wagner | Sitz: Berli=
>>>n
>>>> Handelregister: Amtsgericht Charlottenburg HRB 77719 | USt-IdNr: DE163214=
>>>194
>>>>=20
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>>>
>>>
>
>
>>>
>>>
>>>Olaf=2C in the LINUXLIBC6 configuration=2C try putting --32 on the as/gas i=
>>>nvocations.
>
>>>You mentioned --32 on cm3=2C but I wonder if you meant -m32 on cm3.
>
>>> =3Bcm3 -m32
>
>>> =3Bas --32
>
>>> =3B
>
>>>or check the man pages or help. They aren't consistent=2C for more reasons =
>>>than shown here (e.g. MIPS has -mabi64=2C and I think AIX has something els=
>>>e=2C and HP-UX gcc supports none of these -- no bi-arch support).
>
>>> =3B
>
>>> =3B>=3B probably be easiest to use a real 32 bit system and start fr=
>>>om 5.4.0
> =3B>=3B again.
>
>
>>>Using any current system should be plenty easy too.
>
>>>e.g. the distributions I put up. :)
>
>>> =3B
>
>>>AMD64_LINUX should be a good starting point=2C but I haven't tried it in a =
>>>bit.
>
>>> =3B
>
>>>I should be able to build a current LINUXLIBC6 very very soon.
>
>>>I guess I can install FreeBSD 7.1..which I'd been meaning to anyway to test=
>>> a switch to the "new" Unix *.i3 files.
>
>>> =3B
>
>>>I'll be using python/make-dist.py though.
>
>>>I do need to get more packages into it though=2C e.g. cm3ide and m3gdb.
>
>>> =3B
>
>>> =3B- Jay
> =3B
>>=3B Date: Wed=2C 1 Apr 2009 11:11:53 +0200<=
>>>BR>>=3B From: wagner at elegosoft.com
>>=3B To: m3devel at elegosoft.com>>>>=3B CC: mand at elego.de=3B m3-support at elego.de
>>=3B Subject: Re: [M3=
>>>devel] Help finding CM3 compiler for Linux?
>>=3B
>>=3B Quoting Mi=
>>>ka Nystrom <=3Bmika at async.caltech.edu>=3B:
>>=3B
>>=3B>=3B<=
>>>BR>>=3B>=3B Is there any documentation for this format beyond what you=
>>> just
>>=3B>=3B wrote? Where?
>>=3B
>>=3B Well=2C yes=2C th=
>>>at's the problem with these kinds of archives:
>>=3B
>>=3B (1) the=
>>>y're not well tested and
>>=3B (2) there's no documentation user's can =
>>>rely on
>>=3B
>>=3B This doesn't mean that I disapprove or want to=
>>> criticise the contributors=2C
>>=3B but an official well-documented re=
>>>lease with installation notes etc.
>>=3B has some advantages. Unfortuna=
>>>tely=2C the official releases are really
>>=3B outdated now.
>>=3B =
>>>
>>=3B I succeeded in building current AMD64_LINUX and FreeBSD4 install=
>>>ations
>>=3B on our servers for d5.7.1 tonight and was able to build ar=
>>>chives for
>>=3B FreeBSD binaries and sources=2C but the tooling failed=
>>> for AMD64_KINUX
>>=3B due to changed and missing configuration files. =
>> I'll need to have a
>>=3B closer look at that=2C some extensions seem t=
>>>o be needed. Anybody who
>>=3B feels he can do that faster than me is o=
>>>f course encouraged (I'll have
>>=3B little time as usual :-/).
>>=
>>>=3B
>>=3B It may also turn out to be difficult to produce LINUXLIBC6 b=
>>>inaries=2C
>>=3B as birch and other Elego servers are now 64 bit machin=
>>>es=2C and trying
>>=3B to use current CM3 with --32 produced lots of as=
>>>sembler errors about
>>=3B unsupported instructions on this architectur=
>>>e. As the old installation
>>=3B on birch seems to be gone without a ch=
>>>ance of being restored=2C it will
>>=3B probably be easiest to use a re=
>>>al 32 bit system and start from 5.4.0
>>=3B again.
>>=3B
>>=3B=
>>> Anybody who wants to help should be able to build the binary
>>=3B arc=
>>>hives for LINUXLIBC with cm3/scripts/make-bin-dist-min.sh
>>=3B easily =
>>>and upload them to birch at
>>=3B
>>=3B /var/www/modula3.elegosoft=
>>>.com/cm3/uploaded-archives
>>=3B
>>=3B My guess is that tinderbox =
>>>will take some time to run smoothly again=2C
>>=3B as it was highly cus=
>>>tomized=2C and I'm not sure if these customizations
>>=3B survied the c=
>>>rash.
>>=3B
>>=3B Please stay tuned and thanks for all your patien=
>>>ce=2C
>>=3B
>>=3B Olaf
>>=3B --
>>=3B Olaf Wagner -- eleg=
>>>o Software Solutions GmbH
>>=3B Gustav-Meyer-Allee 25 / Geb=E4ude 12=2C=
>>> 13355 Berlin=2C Germany
>>=3B phone: +49 30 23 45 86 96 mobile: +49 17=
>>>7 2345 869 fax: +49 30 23 45 86 95
>>=3B http://www.elegosoft.com | Ges=
>>>ch=E4ftsf=FChrer: Olaf Wagner | Sitz: Berlin
>>=3B Handelregister: Amts=
>>>gericht Charlottenburg HRB 77719 | USt-IdNr: DE163214194
>>=3B
>>>dy>
>>>=
>>>
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