[M3devel] Help finding CM3 compiler for Linux?

Fri Apr 3 13:03:56 CEST 2009

"Good oops", I only just noticed that the older releases
only had "min binary" and "std src".
I thought they had both min and std binary for users
to chose from, and I was following suit.

(noticed this 'cause I want to try old Solaris/PPC_DARWIN
see when the formsedit crash came in; it's still there)

 - Jay

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> To: jay.krell at cornell.edu
> Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 15:25:25 -0700
> From: mika at async.caltech.edu
> CC: m3devel at elegosoft.com
> Subject: Re: [M3devel] Help finding CM3 compiler for Linux?
>
>
> Actually I think that the thing that has caused me the most problems
> in the past is that the -min and the -src-all get out of sync, since
> the binary bootstrapping dists are often not distributed (for size
> reasons?) with full source archives from exactly the same date. So
> when you try to build src-all with the binary bootstrap, something
> goes wrong. It's the whole... ok I need a binary install (since
> it's a real compiler), but now I have to bootstrap everything. And
> then the bootstrap turns out not to be 100% compatible with the
> compiler sources, libraries, some little detail in m3tk, ...
>
> Another way of saying this is "Isn't CM3 way overdue for a 'release'?"
>
> Mika
>
> Jay writes:
>>
>>Thank you Mika. There is a cm3.cfg file, but it had a small bug.
>> Actually if you look the cm3.cfg file was probably a mere one line that includes LINUXLIBC6. That is probably overly confusing for anyone trying to understand how it works.
>>
>>If you repeat the experiment with the 5.7.1 archives you should find it easier.
>> The not easy cheat is to take cm3cfg.common from current source tree.
>>
>>If you repeat it with a NOT yet existing archive that I have in mind, even easier, however not for all platforms -- i.e. no need to set LD_LIBRARY_PATH, on platforms that support $ORIGIN, but again, not yet.
>>NT386 is already easy this way, since the .dlls are in the bin directory and that is searched; that is NT386-specific.
>>
>>I also need to get m3gdb and cm3ide into it.
>>
>>> It seems to me it would be quite easy to package this up, maybe even
>>> with cminstall? That would be easiest I think, to cminstall the whole
>>
>>I deliberately don't.
>>I find cminstall not very worthwhile.
>>Try the 5.7.1 archive and see what you think?
>>
>>What you are saying I guess is you like the "one level archive" instead of the usual "two level". Agreed. One level can be easily achieved and have cminstall do a copy instead of untargz. But I also find cmin
>>stall not all that worthwhile (as I've said..).
>>
>>
>> - Jay
>>
>>----------------------------------------
>>> To: jay.krell at cornell.edu
>>> CC: m3devel at elegosoft.com
>>> Subject: Re: [M3devel] Help finding CM3 compiler for Linux?
>>> Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 09:59:45 -0700
>>> From: mika at async.caltech.edu
>>>
>>>
>>> I have to say that once I figured out what I needed to do, using
>>> Jay's distributions was easy---easier than I'm used to with CM3.
>>>
>>> All I had to do was: untar the -std dist (forget the min one).
>>>
>>> Set PATH and LD_LIBRARY_PATH
>>>
>>> And then---the mysterious part, which takes more than passing knowledge
>>> of how CM3 works---providing a cm3.cfg file, which doesn't seem to be
>>> provided at all by Jay's archive.
>>>
>>> It seems to me it would be quite easy to package this up, maybe even
>>> with cminstall? That would be easiest I think, to cminstall the whole
>>> dist rather than cminstalling just the -min and then making people build
>>> their own compiler, libraries, and demo apps...
>>>
>>> Mika
>>>
>>> Jay writes:
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>>>>
>>>>Olaf=2C in the LINUXLIBC6 configuration=2C try putting --32 on the as/gas i=
>>>>nvocations.
>>>>
>>>>You mentioned --32 on cm3=2C but I wonder if you meant -m32 on cm3.
>>>>
>>>> cm3 -m32=20
>>>>
>>>> as --32=20
>>>>
>>>>=20
>>>>
>>>>or check the man pages or help. They aren't consistent=2C for more reasons =
>>>>than shown here (e.g. MIPS has -mabi64=2C and I think AIX has something els=
>>>>e=2C and HP-UX gcc supports none of these -- no bi-arch support).
>>>>
>>>>=20
>>>>
>>>>> probably be easiest to use a real 32 bit system and start from 5.4.0
>>>>> again.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Using any current system should be plenty easy too.
>>>>
>>>>e.g. the distributions I put up. :)
>>>>
>>>>=20
>>>>
>>>>AMD64_LINUX should be a good starting point=2C but I haven't tried it in a =
>>>>bit.
>>>>
>>>>=20
>>>>
>>>>I should be able to build a current LINUXLIBC6 very very soon.
>>>>
>>>>I guess I can install FreeBSD 7.1..which I'd been meaning to anyway to test=
>>>> a switch to the "new" Unix *.i3 files.
>>>>
>>>>=20
>>>>
>>>>I'll be using python/make-dist.py though.
>>>>
>>>>I do need to get more packages into it though=2C e.g. cm3ide and m3gdb.
>>>>
>>>>=20
>>>>
>>>> - Jay
>>>>=20
>>>>> Date: Wed=2C 1 Apr 2009 11:11:53 +0200
>>>>> From: wagner at elegosoft.com
>>>>> To: m3devel at elegosoft.com
>>>>> CC: mand at elego.de=3B m3-support at elego.de
>>>>> Subject: Re: [M3devel] Help finding CM3 compiler for Linux?
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Quoting Mika Nystrom :
>>>>>=20
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is there any documentation for this format beyond what you just
>>>>>> wrote? Where?
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Well=2C yes=2C that's the problem with these kinds of archives:
>>>>>=20
>>>>> (1) they're not well tested and
>>>>> (2) there's no documentation user's can rely on
>>>>>=20
>>>>> This doesn't mean that I disapprove or want to criticise the contributors=
>>>>=2C
>>>>> but an official well-documented release with installation notes etc.
>>>>> has some advantages. Unfortunately=2C the official releases are really
>>>>> outdated now.
>>>>>=20
>>>>> I succeeded in building current AMD64_LINUX and FreeBSD4 installations
>>>>> on our servers for d5.7.1 tonight and was able to build archives for
>>>>> FreeBSD binaries and sources=2C but the tooling failed for AMD64_KINUX
>>>>> due to changed and missing configuration files. I'll need to have a
>>>>> closer look at that=2C some extensions seem to be needed. Anybody who
>>>>> feels he can do that faster than me is of course encouraged (I'll have
>>>>> little time as usual :-/).
>>>>>=20
>>>>> It may also turn out to be difficult to produce LINUXLIBC6 binaries=2C
>>>>> as birch and other Elego servers are now 64 bit machines=2C and trying
>>>>> to use current CM3 with --32 produced lots of assembler errors about
>>>>> unsupported instructions on this architecture. As the old installation
>>>>> on birch seems to be gone without a chance of being restored=2C it will
>>>>> probably be easiest to use a real 32 bit system and start from 5.4.0
>>>>> again.
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Anybody who wants to help should be able to build the binary
>>>>> archives for LINUXLIBC with cm3/scripts/make-bin-dist-min.sh
>>>>> easily and upload them to birch at
>>>>>=20
>>>>> /var/www/modula3.elegosoft.com/cm3/uploaded-archives
>>>>>=20
>>>>> My guess is that tinderbox will take some time to run smoothly again=2C
>>>>> as it was highly customized=2C and I'm not sure if these customizations
>>>>> survied the crash.
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Please stay tuned and thanks for all your patience=2C
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Olaf
>>>>> --=20
>>>>> Olaf Wagner -- elego Software Solutions GmbH
>>>>> Gustav-Meyer-Allee 25 / Geb=E4ude 12=2C 13355 Berlin=2C Germany
>>>>> phone: +49 30 23 45 86 96 mobile: +49 177 2345 869 fax: +49 30 23 45 86 9=
>>>>5
>>>>> http://www.elegosoft.com | Gesch=E4ftsf=FChrer: Olaf Wagner | Sitz: Berli=
>>>>n
>>>>> Handelregister: Amtsgericht Charlottenburg HRB 77719 | USt-IdNr: DE163214=
>>>>194
>>>>>=20
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Olaf=2C in the LINUXLIBC6 configuration=2C try putting --32 on the as/gas i=
>>>>nvocations.
>>
>>>>You mentioned --32 on cm3=2C but I wonder if you meant -m32 on cm3.
>>
>>>> =3Bcm3 -m32
>>
>>>> =3Bas --32
>>
>>>> =3B
>>
>>>>or check the man pages or help. They aren't consistent=2C for more reasons =
>>>>than shown here (e.g. MIPS has -mabi64=2C and I think AIX has something els=
>>>>e=2C and HP-UX gcc supports none of these -- no bi-arch support).
>>
>>>> =3B
>>
>>>> =3B>=3B probably be easiest to use a real 32 bit system and start fr=
>>>>om 5.4.0
>> =3B>=3B again.
>>
>>
>>>>Using any current system should be plenty easy too.
>>
>>>>e.g. the distributions I put up. :)
>>
>>>> =3B
>>
>>>>AMD64_LINUX should be a good starting point=2C but I haven't tried it in a =
>>>>bit.
>>
>>>> =3B
>>
>>>>I should be able to build a current LINUXLIBC6 very very soon.
>>
>>>>I guess I can install FreeBSD 7.1..which I'd been meaning to anyway to test=
>>>> a switch to the "new" Unix *.i3 files.
>>
>>>> =3B
>>
>>>>I'll be using python/make-dist.py though.
>>
>>>>I do need to get more packages into it though=2C e.g. cm3ide and m3gdb.
>>
>>>> =3B
>>
>>>> =3B- Jay
>> =3B
>>>=3B Date: Wed=2C 1 Apr 2009 11:11:53 +0200<=
>>>>BR>>=3B From: wagner at elegosoft.com
>>>=3B To: m3devel at elegosoft.com>>>>=3B CC: mand at elego.de=3B m3-support at elego.de
>>>=3B Subject: Re: [M3=
>>>>devel] Help finding CM3 compiler for Linux?
>>>=3B
>>>=3B Quoting Mi=
>>>>ka Nystrom <=3Bmika at async.caltech.edu>=3B:
>>>=3B
>>>=3B>=3B<=
>>>>BR>>=3B>=3B Is there any documentation for this format beyond what you=
>>>> just
>>>=3B>=3B wrote? Where?
>>>=3B
>>>=3B Well=2C yes=2C th=
>>>>at's the problem with these kinds of archives:
>>>=3B
>>>=3B (1) the=
>>>>y're not well tested and
>>>=3B (2) there's no documentation user's can =
>>>>rely on
>>>=3B
>>>=3B This doesn't mean that I disapprove or want to=
>>>> criticise the contributors=2C
>>>=3B but an official well-documented re=
>>>>lease with installation notes etc.
>>>=3B has some advantages. Unfortuna=
>>>>tely=2C the official releases are really
>>>=3B outdated now.
>>>=3B =
>>>>
>>>=3B I succeeded in building current AMD64_LINUX and FreeBSD4 install=
>>>>ations
>>>=3B on our servers for d5.7.1 tonight and was able to build ar=
>>>>chives for
>>>=3B FreeBSD binaries and sources=2C but the tooling failed=
>>>> for AMD64_KINUX
>>>=3B due to changed and missing configuration files. =
>>> I'll need to have a
>>>=3B closer look at that=2C some extensions seem t=
>>>>o be needed. Anybody who
>>>=3B feels he can do that faster than me is o=
>>>>f course encouraged (I'll have
>>>=3B little time as usual :-/).
>>>=
>>>>=3B
>>>=3B It may also turn out to be difficult to produce LINUXLIBC6 b=
>>>>inaries=2C
>>>=3B as birch and other Elego servers are now 64 bit machin=
>>>>es=2C and trying
>>>=3B to use current CM3 with --32 produced lots of as=
>>>>sembler errors about
>>>=3B unsupported instructions on this architectur=
>>>>e. As the old installation
>>>=3B on birch seems to be gone without a ch=
>>>>ance of being restored=2C it will
>>>=3B probably be easiest to use a re=
>>>>al 32 bit system and start from 5.4.0
>>>=3B again.
>>>=3B
>>>=3B=
>>>> Anybody who wants to help should be able to build the binary
>>>=3B arc=
>>>>hives for LINUXLIBC with cm3/scripts/make-bin-dist-min.sh
>>>=3B easily =
>>>>and upload them to birch at
>>>=3B
>>>=3B /var/www/modula3.elegosoft=
>>>>.com/cm3/uploaded-archives
>>>=3B
>>>=3B My guess is that tinderbox =
>>>>will take some time to run smoothly again=2C
>>>=3B as it was highly cus=
>>>>tomized=2C and I'm not sure if these customizations
>>>=3B survied the c=
>>>>rash.
>>>=3B
>>>=3B Please stay tuned and thanks for all your patien=
>>>>ce=2C
>>>=3B
>>>=3B Olaf
>>>=3B --
>>>=3B Olaf Wagner -- eleg=
>>>>o Software Solutions GmbH
>>>=3B Gustav-Meyer-Allee 25 / Geb=E4ude 12=2C=
>>>> 13355 Berlin=2C Germany
>>>=3B phone: +49 30 23 45 86 96 mobile: +49 17=
>>>>7 2345 869 fax: +49 30 23 45 86 95
>>>=3B http://www.elegosoft.com | Ges=
>>>>ch=E4ftsf=FChrer: Olaf Wagner | Sitz: Berlin
>>>=3B Handelregister: Amts=
>>>>gericht Charlottenburg HRB 77719 | USt-IdNr: DE163214194
>>>=3B
>>>>dy>
>>>>=
>>>>
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