[M3devel] M3devel Digest, Vol 56, Issue 30

felipe valdez felipevaldez at gmail.com
Tue Jun 28 19:00:14 CEST 2011


to Daniel:

the message was garbled


perhaps you can create a google docs free table and show it to us in a URL ?


this is how it appeared in my gmail:


OS??????? | Linux | FreeBSD | OpenBSD | Tru64 | Mac OSX | NT4.0 | HP-UX |
AIX
HW??????
-----------+---------------+----------------+----------+----------------+----------+-----------+-------
DECaxp?? o????? | ?????? o?????? |??????? o??????? | ???
 o???? | ????? +? ? ? ? | ? ?? x ?? | ? ?? + ?? |?? +??????
i86pc??????? o????? | ?????? o?????? | ?????? o??????? | ??? +??? | ??????
x??????? | ???? x??? | ???? x ?? | ? +
i86smp???? o????? |??????? o?????? | ?????? o??????? | ??? + ?? |
 ?????? o? ? ? ? |? ? ? x ?? | ?? ? x ?? |?? + ??? Ppc ???????? o??????
|?????? o?????? |???????? o?????? |????? +??? |?????? o??????? |????? x???
|?????? +?? |??? o


not the most readable...


to Mr. Jay K

I recommend you seek poor schools in your Area, that might be in need of a
computer, and provide them it so that the kids can learn linux or whatever.

this would reduce shipping cost, as for ssh, perhaps they won't have a
public IP, but you should still be able to login, if you install hamachi or
a similar product in both ends.

I'm sure there are schools in your zipcode that don't have access to a
 server like the one you mention.

or maybe a community college or government-run university ?

good luck

I'd help you myself, but I live too far away, unfortunately.



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> Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 17:50:12 +0100 (BST)
> From: "Daniel Alejandro Benavides D." <dabenavidesd at yahoo.es>
> Subject: Re: [M3devel] hardware/software sales.. AlphaServer DS10L,
>        Tru64
> To: m3devel <m3devel at elegosoft.com>, Jay K <jay.krell at cornell.edu>
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> Hi all:
> completely forgot the Win9* systems, perhaps the idea is not bad at all,
> sicne many of those machines were in emerging markets already and maybe
> still there:
>
> http://www.cs.tut.fi/lintula/manual/modula3/modula-3/html/m3ug-oopsla94/summary.html
>
> Finally a word about of Juno-2, if the most important of tools is that,
> there is a way to do it, I run it on cygwinb20, it runs smoothly,
> interesting tough to see it on a Chicago/PC!
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> --- El vie, 24/6/11, Daniel Alejandro Benavides D. <dabenavidesd at yahoo.es>
> escribi?:
>
> De: Daniel Alejandro Benavides D. <dabenavidesd at yahoo.es>
> Asunto: Re: [M3devel] hardware/software sales.. AlphaServer DS10L, Tru64
> Para: "m3devel" <m3devel at elegosoft.com>, "Jay K" <jay.krell at cornell.edu>
> Fecha: viernes, 24 de junio, 2011 20:15
>
> Hi all:
> I know it may sound odd, but how about installing the full working M3
> system on every one of it (thus you kind of sell the as a CM3 server of its
> own win*/*ix flavor) , does someone can create such a server (through
> potential SPIN OS Sphinix)? I mean code generate for every platform on each
> row, or if you have multiple OS then built a matrix hw x OS
>
> OS??????? | Linux | FreeBSD | OpenBSD | Tru64 | Mac OSX | NT4.0 | HP-UX |
> AIX
> HW??????
> -----------+---------------+----------------+----------+----------------+----------+-----------+-------
> DECaxp?? o????? | ?????? o?????? |??????? o??????? | ???
>  o???? | ????? +? ? ? ? | ? ?? x ?? | ? ?? + ?? |?? +??????
> i86pc??????? o????? | ?????? o?????? | ?????? o??????? | ??? +??? | ??????
> x??????? | ???? x??? | ???? x ?? | ? +
> i86smp???? o????? |??????? o?????? | ?????? o??????? | ??? + ?? |
>  ?????? o? ? ? ? |? ? ? x ?? | ?? ? x ?? |?? + ??? Ppc ???????? o??????
> |?????? o?????? |???????? o?????? |????? +??? |?????? o??????? |????? x???
> |?????? +?? |??? o
>
>
> I myself would need some help to install any of those systems, so if you
> could build? the system in itself would be wonderful. Best than that perhaps
> with alternate multiBoot and/or in original conditions.
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> --- El vie, 24/6/11,
>  Jay K <jay.krell at cornell.edu> escribi?:
>
> De: Jay K <jay.krell at cornell.edu>
> Asunto: [M3devel] hardware/software sales.. AlphaServer DS10L, Tru64
> Para: "m3devel" <m3devel at elegosoft.com>
> Fecha: viernes, 24 de junio, 2011 15:55
>
>
>
>
>
> sorry if this is too repititive.
>
>
> I have two AlphaServer DS10Ls.
> I believe they both work.
> They have CPU and memory.
> And maybe hard drive.
> ? one had a problem with the hard drive I think and I was/am mid-replacing
> it.
> And maybe optical drive -- one has it. I was mid-moving it to other to
> install from CD.
>
>
>
> They can run any of: Linux, NetBSD, OpenBSD, FreeBSD, VMS, Tru64, Windows
> (NT 4.0).
>
>
> I can throw in one complete copy of Tru64 5.1b. Box. Manuals. CDs.
>
> Cost is that we split shipping to US.
>
> And ideally you let me ssh in, get Modula-3 up-and-running, maybe leave it
> as Hudson node.
> ? I.e. you provide space and electricity. At least temporarily. Space,
> really.
>
>
> We already got Tru64 (re)working within the past year. On older versions.
> NT 4.0 is too much work, until/unless we have a C backend. And then it
> would be interesting, really. I can provide/acquire NT
>  4.0/Alpha.
> VMS is almost done. And otherwise available to me..but seemingly very slow.
> I'd like to give it another chance on another machine.
> The others should all be easy and I would bother with doing them.
> ? Hudson wouldn't likely be viable on OpenBSD, NetBSD, FreeBSD.
> ? Hudson should be easily viable on Linux (Debian 5.0; current Gentoo) and
> maybe others (VMS? Tru64?).
>
> I can also provide for half shipping to USA:
> ?Mac laptop for PPC_LINUX
> ?PC laptops for I386_LINUX, I386_OPENBSD.
>
>
> But I might set those back up.
>
>
> ?- Jay
>
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> Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 18:31:09 -0500
> From: felipe valdez <felipevaldez at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [M3devel] M3devel Digest, Vol 56, Issue 29
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> in an interesting conversation with a friend of mine, we compared GO and
> Modula-3
> I said that the main difference, is that the GO people want their language
> used by other people, but the Modula-3 people seemed too busy to try to
> grow
> the community, by providing an easy to use installer on windows.
>
> this lead me to think hard, because, I'm not sure of what efforts have been
> made, to grow the community.
>
> is anybody in this list actively working on this?
>
> is having a larger modula3 community, desirable?
>
>
>
>
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> >   1. hardware/software sales.. AlphaServer DS10L, Tru64 (Jay K)
> >   2. Re: hardware/software sales.. AlphaServer DS10L, Tru64
> >      (Daniel Alejandro Benavides D.)
> >
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> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
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> > Message: 1
> > Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 20:55:50 +0000
> > From: Jay K <jay.krell at cornell.edu>
> > Subject: [M3devel] hardware/software sales.. AlphaServer DS10L, Tru64
> > To: m3devel <m3devel at elegosoft.com>
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> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> >
> >
> > sorry if this is too repititive.
> >
> >
> > I have two AlphaServer DS10Ls.
> > I believe they both work.
> > They have CPU and memory.
> > And maybe hard drive.
> >  one had a problem with the hard drive I think and I was/am mid-replacing
> > it.
> > And maybe optical drive -- one has it. I was mid-moving it to other to
> > install from CD.
> >
> >
> >
> > They can run any of: Linux, NetBSD, OpenBSD, FreeBSD, VMS, Tru64, Windows
> > (NT 4.0).
> >
> >
> > I can throw in one complete copy of Tru64 5.1b. Box. Manuals. CDs.
> >
> > Cost is that we split shipping to US.
> >
> > And ideally you let me ssh in, get Modula-3 up-and-running, maybe leave
> it
> > as Hudson node.
> >  I.e. you provide space and electricity. At least temporarily. Space,
> > really.
> >
> >
> > We already got Tru64 (re)working within the past year. On older versions.
> > NT 4.0 is too much work, until/unless we have a C backend. And then it
> > would be interesting, really. I can provide/acquire NT 4.0/Alpha.
> > VMS is almost done. And otherwise available to me..but seemingly very
> slow.
> > I'd like to give it another chance on another machine.
> > The others should all be easy and I would bother with doing them.
> >  Hudson wouldn't likely be viable on OpenBSD, NetBSD, FreeBSD.
> >  Hudson should be easily viable on Linux (Debian 5.0; current Gentoo) and
> > maybe others (VMS? Tru64?).
> >
> > I can also provide for half shipping to USA:
> >  Mac laptop for PPC_LINUX
> >  PC laptops for I386_LINUX, I386_OPENBSD.
> >
> >
> > But I might set those back up.
> >
> >
> >  - Jay
> >
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> > Message: 2
> > Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2011 02:15:02 +0100 (BST)
> > From: "Daniel Alejandro Benavides D." <dabenavidesd at yahoo.es>
> > Subject: Re: [M3devel] hardware/software sales.. AlphaServer DS10L,
> >        Tru64
> > To: m3devel <m3devel at elegosoft.com>, Jay K <jay.krell at cornell.edu>
> > Message-ID:
> >        <1308964502.58199.YahooMailClassic at web29706.mail.ird.yahoo.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> >
> > Hi all:
> > I know it may sound odd, but how about installing the full working M3
> > system on every one of it (thus you kind of sell the as a CM3 server of
> its
> > own win*/*ix flavor) , does someone can create such a server (through
> > potential SPIN OS Sphinix)? I mean code generate for every platform on
> each
> > row, or if you have multiple OS then built a matrix hw x OS
> >
> > OS??????? | Linux | FreeBSD | OpenBSD | Tru64 | Mac OSX | NT4.0 | HP-UX |
> > AIX
> > HW??????
> >
> -----------+---------------+----------------+----------+----------------+----------+-----------+-------
> > DECaxp?? o????? | ?????? o?????? |??????? o??????? | ??? o???? | ????? +?
> ?
> > ? ? | ? ?? x ?? | ? ?? + ?? |?? +??????
> > i86pc??????? o????? | ?????? o?????? | ?????? o??????? | ??? +??? |
> ??????
> > x??????? | ???? x??? | ???? x ?? | ? +
> > i86smp???? o????? |??????? o?????? | ?????? o??????? | ??? + ?? | ??????
> o?
> > ? ? ? |? ? ? x ?? | ?? ? x ?? |?? + ??? Ppc ???????? o?????? |??????
> o??????
> > |???????? o?????? |????? +??? |?????? o??????? |????? x??? |?????? +??
> |???
> > o
> >
> >
> > I myself would need some help to install any of those systems, so if you
> > could build? the system in itself would be wonderful. Best than that
> perhaps
> > with alternate multiBoot and/or in original conditions.
> >
> > Thanks in advance
> >
> > --- El vie, 24/6/11, Jay K <jay.krell at cornell.edu> escribi?:
> >
> > De: Jay K <jay.krell at cornell.edu>
> > Asunto: [M3devel] hardware/software sales.. AlphaServer DS10L, Tru64
> > Para: "m3devel" <m3devel at elegosoft.com>
> > Fecha: viernes, 24 de junio, 2011 15:55
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > sorry if this is too repititive.
> >
> >
> > I have two AlphaServer DS10Ls.
> > I believe they both work.
> > They have CPU and memory.
> > And maybe hard drive.
> > ? one had a problem with the hard drive I think and I was/am
> mid-replacing
> > it.
> > And maybe optical drive -- one has it. I was mid-moving it to other to
> > install from CD.
> >
> >
> >
> > They can run any of: Linux, NetBSD, OpenBSD, FreeBSD, VMS, Tru64, Windows
> > (NT 4.0).
> >
> >
> > I can throw in one complete copy of Tru64 5.1b. Box. Manuals. CDs.
> >
> > Cost is that we split shipping to US.
> >
> > And ideally you let me ssh in, get Modula-3 up-and-running, maybe leave
> it
> > as Hudson node.
> > ? I.e. you provide space and electricity. At least temporarily. Space,
> > really.
> >
> >
> > We already got Tru64 (re)working within the past year. On older versions.
> > NT 4.0 is too much work, until/unless we have a C backend. And then it
> > would be interesting, really. I can provide/acquire NT 4.0/Alpha.
> > VMS is almost done. And otherwise available to me..but seemingly very
> slow.
> > I'd like to give it another chance on another machine.
> > The others should all be easy and I would bother with doing them.
> > ? Hudson wouldn't likely be viable on OpenBSD, NetBSD, FreeBSD.
> > ? Hudson should be easily viable on Linux (Debian 5.0; current Gentoo)
> and
> > maybe others (VMS? Tru64?).
> >
> > I can also provide for half shipping to USA:
> > ?Mac laptop for PPC_LINUX
> > ?PC laptops for I386_LINUX, I386_OPENBSD.
> >
> >
> > But I might set those back up.
> >
> >
> > ?- Jay
> >
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