[M3devel] helo everyone - videotutorials for modula3

[Daniel Alejandro Benavides D.]

Hi all:
I think there is actually the deb virtual package, it can have it's own dependences, and it doesn't need other actual files, if the package is available (whether by dpkg- or package system query else user supplied then it goes else it doesn't install it).
Thanks in advance

--- El mié, 15/6/11, Jay K <jay.krell at cornell.edu> escribió:

De: Jay K <jay.krell at cornell.edu>
Asunto: Re: [M3devel] helo everyone - videotutorials for modula3
Para: hendrik at topoi.pooq.com, "m3devel" <m3devel at elegosoft.com>
Fecha: miércoles, 15 de junio, 2011 16:59





I don't like the idea of having multiple packages.
   And I don't see that it helps -- I don't know why installing the current .deb files doesn't work, fairly independent of what is installed (assuming there is at least gcc/ld/libc).


I want there to be close to one download per-target, and I want the web pages to sniff from the agent string which download to steer the user to, like the Firefox download pages do, with a link to a list of everything so user can chose, e.g. if they are downloading to run on other than the current system.
(one .deb or .msi or .dmg, etc., one .tar.gz/bz2/xz/lzma)


I find the current proliferation of packages, that we already have, confusing.
I'm ok with their being a separate set for "minimal to bootstrap from source".


I understand that things are in fact modular. That there is in fact a dependency tree. And it isn't very complicated. The system isn't monolithic.
But I don't think presenting users with many choices is friendly.


I understand that the world -- really, the larger world, beyond computers -- is modular. As is the computer world.
Parts come and go (people, buildings, roads, cars, etc.).
But considering things as being composed of too many too small pieces (atoms, molecules) gets confusing.


Maybe my tendency is toward too few too large pieces.


 - Jay

> Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 17:39:33 -0400
> From: hendrik at topoi.pooq.com
> To: m3devel at elegosoft.com
> Subject: Re: [M3devel] helo everyone - videotutorials for modula3
> 
> On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 02:49:26PM -0500, felipe valdez wrote:
> > hello everyone.
> > 
> > this is me just nagging, and complaining, but not actually doing any useful
> > work,
> >  but, I guess a logic along the lines of:
> > 
> > do you want postgress integration (optional)?
> > >no
> > if( YES )
> >       please provide the path
> > else
> >       you have chosen not to integrate at this point.
> >       if you ever need to in the future, follow these instructions,
> > http://example.com/instructions
> > end if
> > 
> > instead of:
> > 
> > do you have the exact path of the non-optional-but-required component?
> > >nope
> > ok, then, I'll stop working, until you install the non-required dependency.
> 
> The usual way this stuff is done in Debian is to have the connection 
> with postgress be a separate packate, called something like 
> modula3-postgress. and whose description would say "postress binding for 
> modula3.
> 
> The postinstall scripts for modula3 and mosula3-postgress would 
> each check for the other package and make the necessary adjustments.
> 
> modula3-postgress would depend both on modula3 and on postgress.
> 
> There are probably a few library bindings for which this treatment would 
> be appropriate.
> 
> -- hendrik
 		 	   		   
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