[M3devel] M3devel Digest, Vol 56, Issue 30
Daniel Alejandro Benavides D.
dabenavidesd at yahoo.es
Tue Jun 28 23:04:47 CEST 2011
Hi all:
indeed the idea is not bad at all neither, since there are
many users who want to share every aspect of details on their
implementation, the only way to unify this I guess is through something
like that a module interface in cm3ide, it could map any relevant data
to the server, I don't know how but potentially creating a botnet of
people machines that can resemble the spirit of community driven
project, whether by gathering people's machines information and retrieving updates, etc.
I might try to
see whether there is dog food for that I mean we can eat (in the below mentioned project, certainly for others too, SPIN for instance), If we can
there must a way of do it, I know o local project to give
underprivileged schools educators a machine to each one (either by old
or new to their Professors) and get back any interesting data ideally
to maintain their compiler infrastructure working:
http://www.computadoresparaeducar.gov.co/website/es/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=359&Itemid=320
(CEDARE center left link certainly interesting)
Anyway I would need to ask that too what are their expectations
about used stuff, but a donor is very much wanted.
Obviously
the needed ports are there but certainly miss acknowledge of it since,
there are many of the "old" Win* box port's and new ones like mini
FreeDOS, so it would it to gather some sort of measurement in the
environment and needs and specifications, some of this numbers, like,
see:
http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2615599
http://sites.google.com/site/rugxulo/updates
Thanks in advance
--- El mar, 28/6/11, felipe valdez <felipevaldez at gmail.com> escribió:
De: felipe valdez <felipevaldez at gmail.com>
Asunto: Re: [M3devel] M3devel Digest, Vol 56, Issue 30
Para: "Daniel Alejandro Benavides D." <dabenavidesd at yahoo.es>
Fecha: martes, 28 de junio, 2011 15:30
let us know if after you build your own os, you can fax us the original data.
2011/6/28 Daniel Alejandro Benavides D. <dabenavidesd at yahoo.es>
Hi all:
it's a good idea, but nicer to use the distributed spreadsheet if I may say so, so anyone involved can use it:
http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/2690
I will see who can provide a local copy of its sources, thanks in advance
--- El mar, 28/6/11, felipe valdez <felipevaldez at gmail.com> escribió:
De: felipe valdez <felipevaldez at gmail.com>
Asunto: Re: [M3devel] M3devel Digest, Vol 56, Issue 30
Para: m3devel at elegosoft.com
Fecha: martes, 28 de junio, 2011 12:00
to Daniel:
the message was garbled
perhaps you can create a google docs free table and show it to us in a URL ?
this is how it appeared in my gmail:
OS??????? | Linux | FreeBSD | OpenBSD | Tru64 | Mac OSX | NT4.0 | HP-UX | AIX
HW?????? -----------+---------------+----------------+----------+----------------+----------+-----------+-------
DECaxp?? o????? | ?????? o?????? |??????? o??????? | ???
o???? | ????? +? ? ? ? | ? ?? x ?? | ? ?? + ?? |?? +??????
i86pc??????? o????? | ?????? o?????? | ?????? o??????? | ??? +??? | ?????? x??????? | ???? x??? | ???? x ?? | ? +
i86smp???? o????? |??????? o?????? | ?????? o??????? | ??? + ?? |
?????? o? ? ? ? |? ? ? x ?? | ?? ? x ?? |?? + ??? Ppc ???????? o?????? |?????? o?????? |???????? o?????? |????? +??? |?????? o??????? |????? x??? |?????? +?? |??? o
not the most readable...
to Mr. Jay K
I recommend you seek poor schools in your Area, that might be in need of a computer, and provide them it so that the kids can learn linux or whatever.
this would reduce shipping cost, as for ssh, perhaps they won't have a public IP, but you should still be able to login, if you install hamachi or a similar product in both ends.
I'm sure there are schools in your zipcode that don't have access to a server like the one you mention.
or maybe a community college or government-run university ?
good luck
I'd help you myself, but I live too far away, unfortunately.
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From: "Daniel Alejandro Benavides D." <dabenavidesd at yahoo.es>
Subject: Re: [M3devel] hardware/software sales.. AlphaServer DS10L,
Tru64
To: m3devel <m3devel at elegosoft.com>, Jay K <jay.krell at cornell.edu>
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Hi all:
completely forgot the Win9* systems, perhaps the idea is not bad at all, sicne many of those machines were in emerging markets already and maybe still there:
http://www.cs.tut.fi/lintula/manual/modula3/modula-3/html/m3ug-oopsla94/summary.html
Finally a word about of Juno-2, if the most important of tools is that, there is a way to do it, I run it on cygwinb20, it runs smoothly, interesting tough to see it on a Chicago/PC!
Thanks in advance
--- El vie, 24/6/11, Daniel Alejandro Benavides D. <dabenavidesd at yahoo.es> escribi?:
De: Daniel Alejandro Benavides D. <dabenavidesd at yahoo.es>
Asunto: Re: [M3devel] hardware/software sales.. AlphaServer DS10L, Tru64
Para: "m3devel" <m3devel at elegosoft.com>, "Jay K" <jay.krell at cornell.edu>
Fecha: viernes, 24 de junio, 2011 20:15
Hi all:
I know it may sound odd, but how about installing the full working M3 system on every one of it (thus you kind of sell the as a CM3 server of its own win*/*ix flavor) , does someone can create such a server (through potential SPIN OS Sphinix)? I mean code generate for every platform on each row, or if you have multiple OS then built a matrix hw x OS
OS??????? | Linux | FreeBSD | OpenBSD | Tru64 | Mac OSX | NT4.0 | HP-UX | AIX
HW?????? -----------+---------------+----------------+----------+----------------+----------+-----------+-------
DECaxp?? o????? | ?????? o?????? |??????? o??????? | ???
o???? | ????? +? ? ? ? | ? ?? x ?? | ? ?? + ?? |?? +??????
i86pc??????? o????? | ?????? o?????? | ?????? o??????? | ??? +??? | ?????? x??????? | ???? x??? | ???? x ?? | ? +
i86smp???? o????? |??????? o?????? | ?????? o??????? | ??? + ?? |
?????? o? ? ? ? |? ? ? x ?? | ?? ? x ?? |?? + ??? Ppc ???????? o?????? |?????? o?????? |???????? o?????? |????? +??? |?????? o??????? |????? x??? |?????? +?? |??? o
I myself would need some help to install any of those systems, so if you could build? the system in itself would be wonderful. Best than that perhaps with alternate multiBoot and/or in original conditions.
Thanks in advance
--- El vie, 24/6/11,
Jay K <jay.krell at cornell.edu> escribi?:
De: Jay K <jay.krell at cornell.edu>
Asunto: [M3devel] hardware/software sales.. AlphaServer DS10L, Tru64
Para: "m3devel" <m3devel at elegosoft.com>
Fecha: viernes, 24 de junio, 2011 15:55
sorry if this is too repititive.
I have two AlphaServer DS10Ls.
I believe they both work.
They have CPU and memory.
And maybe hard drive.
? one had a problem with the hard drive I think and I was/am mid-replacing it.
And maybe optical drive -- one has it. I was mid-moving it to other to install from CD.
They can run any of: Linux, NetBSD, OpenBSD, FreeBSD, VMS, Tru64, Windows (NT 4.0).
I can throw in one complete copy of Tru64 5.1b. Box. Manuals. CDs.
Cost is that we split shipping to US.
And ideally you let me ssh in, get Modula-3 up-and-running, maybe leave it as Hudson node.
? I.e. you provide space and electricity. At least temporarily. Space, really.
We already got Tru64 (re)working within the past year. On older versions.
NT 4.0 is too much work, until/unless we have a C backend. And then it would be interesting, really. I can provide/acquire NT
4.0/Alpha.
VMS is almost done. And otherwise available to me..but seemingly very slow. I'd like to give it another chance on another machine.
The others should all be easy and I would bother with doing them.
? Hudson wouldn't likely be viable on OpenBSD, NetBSD, FreeBSD.
? Hudson should be easily viable on Linux (Debian 5.0; current Gentoo) and maybe others (VMS? Tru64?).
I can also provide for half shipping to USA:
?Mac laptop for PPC_LINUX
?PC laptops for I386_LINUX, I386_OPENBSD.
But I might set those back up.
?- Jay
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in an interesting conversation with a friend of mine, we compared GO and
Modula-3
I said that the main difference, is that the GO people want their language
used by other people, but the Modula-3 people seemed too busy to try to grow
the community, by providing an easy to use installer on windows.
this lead me to think hard, because, I'm not sure of what efforts have been
made, to grow the community.
is anybody in this list actively working on this?
is having a larger modula3 community, desirable?
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> sorry if this is too repititive.
>
>
> I have two AlphaServer DS10Ls.
> I believe they both work.
> They have CPU and memory.
> And maybe hard drive.
> one had a problem with the hard drive I think and I was/am mid-replacing
> it.
> And maybe optical drive -- one has it. I was mid-moving it to other to
> install from CD.
>
>
>
> They can run any of: Linux, NetBSD, OpenBSD, FreeBSD, VMS, Tru64, Windows
> (NT 4.0).
>
>
> I can throw in one complete copy of Tru64 5.1b. Box. Manuals. CDs.
>
> Cost is that we split shipping to US.
>
> And ideally you let me ssh in, get Modula-3 up-and-running, maybe leave it
> as Hudson node.
> I.e. you provide space and electricity. At least temporarily. Space,
> really.
>
>
> We already got Tru64 (re)working within the past year. On older versions.
> NT 4.0 is too much work, until/unless we have a C backend. And then it
> would be interesting, really. I can provide/acquire NT 4.0/Alpha.
> VMS is almost done. And otherwise available to me..but seemingly very slow.
> I'd like to give it another chance on another machine.
> The others should all be easy and I would bother with doing them.
> Hudson wouldn't likely be viable on OpenBSD, NetBSD, FreeBSD.
> Hudson should be easily viable on Linux (Debian 5.0; current Gentoo) and
> maybe others (VMS? Tru64?).
>
> I can also provide for half shipping to USA:
> Mac laptop for PPC_LINUX
> PC laptops for I386_LINUX, I386_OPENBSD.
>
>
> But I might set those back up.
>
>
> - Jay
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> From: "Daniel Alejandro Benavides D." <dabenavidesd at yahoo.es>
> Subject: Re: [M3devel] hardware/software sales.. AlphaServer DS10L,
> Tru64
> To: m3devel <m3devel at elegosoft.com>, Jay K <jay.krell at cornell.edu>
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> <1308964502.58199.YahooMailClassic at web29706.mail.ird.yahoo.com>
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> Hi all:
> I know it may sound odd, but how about installing the full working M3
> system on every one of it (thus you kind of sell the as a CM3 server of its
> own win*/*ix flavor) , does someone can create such a server (through
> potential SPIN OS Sphinix)? I mean code generate for every platform on each
> row, or if you have multiple OS then built a matrix hw x OS
>
> OS??????? | Linux | FreeBSD | OpenBSD | Tru64 | Mac OSX | NT4.0 | HP-UX |
> AIX
> HW??????
> -----------+---------------+----------------+----------+----------------+----------+-----------+-------
> DECaxp?? o????? | ?????? o?????? |??????? o??????? | ??? o???? | ????? +? ?
> ? ? | ? ?? x ?? | ? ?? + ?? |?? +??????
> i86pc??????? o????? | ?????? o?????? | ?????? o??????? | ??? +??? | ??????
> x??????? | ???? x??? | ???? x ?? | ? +
> i86smp???? o????? |??????? o?????? | ?????? o??????? | ??? + ?? | ?????? o?
> ? ? ? |? ? ? x ?? | ?? ? x ?? |?? + ??? Ppc ???????? o?????? |?????? o??????
> |???????? o?????? |????? +??? |?????? o??????? |????? x??? |?????? +?? |???
> o
>
>
> I myself would need some help to install any of those systems, so if you
> could build? the system in itself would be wonderful. Best than that perhaps
> with alternate multiBoot and/or in original conditions.
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> --- El vie, 24/6/11, Jay K <jay.krell at cornell.edu> escribi?:
>
> De: Jay K <jay.krell at cornell.edu>
> Asunto: [M3devel] hardware/software sales.. AlphaServer DS10L, Tru64
> Para: "m3devel" <m3devel at elegosoft.com>
> Fecha: viernes, 24 de junio, 2011 15:55
>
>
>
>
>
> sorry if this is too repititive.
>
>
> I have two AlphaServer DS10Ls.
> I believe they both work.
> They have CPU and memory.
> And maybe hard drive.
> ? one had a problem with the hard drive I think and I was/am mid-replacing
> it.
> And maybe optical drive -- one has it. I was mid-moving it to other to
> install from CD.
>
>
>
> They can run any of: Linux, NetBSD, OpenBSD, FreeBSD, VMS, Tru64, Windows
> (NT 4.0).
>
>
> I can throw in one complete copy of Tru64 5.1b. Box. Manuals. CDs.
>
> Cost is that we split shipping to US.
>
> And ideally you let me ssh in, get Modula-3 up-and-running, maybe leave it
> as Hudson node.
> ? I.e. you provide space and electricity. At least temporarily. Space,
> really.
>
>
> We already got Tru64 (re)working within the past year. On older versions.
> NT 4.0 is too much work, until/unless we have a C backend. And then it
> would be interesting, really. I can provide/acquire NT 4.0/Alpha.
> VMS is almost done. And otherwise available to me..but seemingly very slow.
> I'd like to give it another chance on another machine.
> The others should all be easy and I would bother with doing them.
> ? Hudson wouldn't likely be viable on OpenBSD, NetBSD, FreeBSD.
> ? Hudson should be easily viable on Linux (Debian 5.0; current Gentoo) and
> maybe others (VMS? Tru64?).
>
> I can also provide for half shipping to USA:
> ?Mac laptop for PPC_LINUX
> ?PC laptops for I386_LINUX, I386_OPENBSD.
>
>
> But I might set those back up.
>
>
> ?- Jay
>
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