[M3devel] Fw: Modula-3 questions

[Daniel Alejandro Benavides D.]

Hi all:
Well in terms of popularity we could stand for Modula-3 in search engines and see how much we got and how much we got from other for instance say Java.
It might be that there are a number of good results in Modula-3, so I don't know much effort to do countability of that. But this is just to state preeminence.
Later the popularity the number of times it has been searched that word (not so recent results for google were not bad at all).
Whether the community is alive and kicking I would ask another question to elucidate that clearly; if industry has a better and strong feeling for Java and C++, than for Modula-3, and computers are becoming because of the non-turning point of 40 years of crisis almost a dead end where as any new computer comes becomes substantially slower, then, I would say that would live in that Universe of industrial-strength systems are not alive by those  languages, but of very "dead" languages (say Modula-3 'died' in 2000 but not talking about communities, just languages), so some good inspiration came from older days and make that industry still making some money.
Concerning about community is just one or two people apart from the industrial-strength systems is certainly better since it reflects the likely it would be survived by someone, and I happen to believe that languages in **critical** times are lead by just one or maybe two people, the rest are just followers.
We might create a Modula-3 facebook or social network account and quickly realize that there are dozens of people interested and get their hands dirty in this crisis no more but in a good "dead" language, if somebody says that then the language is still alive in those followers I believe so.
Thanks in advance

--- El vie, 20/4/12, Rodney M. Bates <rodney_bates at lcwb.coop> escribió:

> De: Rodney M. Bates <rodney_bates at lcwb.coop>
> Asunto: Re: [M3devel] Fw: Modula-3 questions
> Para: m3devel at elegosoft.com
> Fecha: viernes, 20 de abril, 2012 08:48
> 
> 
> On 04/20/2012 04:12 AM, microcode at zoho.com
> wrote:
> > I haven't found that book or any Modula-3 books
> online.
> >
> > I agree that things are often best left alone and often
> ruined by constant change and people who
> want to make things into other things they were never
> intended to be. I said something similar a few
> debates ago. I don't care what's popular
> as long as it still exists :-)
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> 
> "As long as it still exists" is the critical connection to
> popularity here.  It takes a certain minimum
> of interested people to keep it in existence.  Despite
> being dramatically simpler than the alternatives,
> Modula-3 is still big enough that it needs several people to
> support it.  We are really a bit low on this
> front.
> 
> I can't seem to do the Modula-3 support I would like to do
> *and* use the language for my own projects
> too.  And I'm retired.  Frustrating.
> 
> 
> 
> >
> >
> >
> > ------Original Message------
> > From: Mika Nystrom
> > To: microcode at zoho.com
> > Cc: m3devel at elegosoft.com
> > Subject: Re: [M3devel] Fw: Modula-3 questions
> > Sent: 19 Apr 2012 17:29
> >
> >
> > But at the same time the Green Book (G. Nelson, ed.,
> Systems Programming
> > with Modula-3, Prentice-Hall 1991) is probably the best
> description of
> > how to actually use object-oriented programming in
> practice that's ever
> > been published...
> >
> > I once wrote to whoever now owns Prentice-Hall and
> asked their copyright
> > clearance person for permission to photocopy chapters
> of that book
> > for a class I was teaching.  No response, not even
> "absolutely not."
> > But most of it (all of it??) is available online.
> >
> > I'm somewhat ambivalent about marketing Modula-3 too
> hard.  I fear that
> > if the hordes discover it, they will ruin it.  One
> LONGINT is enough
> > headaches for me.  I find the unchanging nature of
> the language to be
> > a huge advantage in what I do.
> >
> >      Mika
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: microcode at zoho.com
> > Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 16:49:57
> > To: Daniel Alejandro Benavides D.<dabenavidesd at yahoo.es>
> > Reply-To: microcode at zoho.com
> > Subject: Re: [M3devel] Modula-3 questions
> >
> > A big inhibitor to Modula-3 is the lack of books and
> tutorials. CM3 has a great system running on tons of
> platforms. But where can people learn to code Modula-3?
> >
> > I see this as the biggest obstacle.
> >
> >
> >
> >
>