[M3devel] On the way to release other packages in GPL?

Sun Sep 3 00:29:13 CEST 2017

Hello:DEC SRC involvement in releasing some "buggy code" (see differently from garbage collected programming work DEC SRC did proposals on C++ GC) to be studied:

Measurements of small academic programs don't cut it. (Small is anything less than 100,00 lines that runs for less than a few minutes.) Microsoft couldn't care less about a 25,000 line VLSI routing program.   Getting commercial-scale benchmarks is very hard, not least because vendors treat their applications' source code as family jewels. When I was at DEC SRC, I initiated a project to measure the performance of some large DEC programs modified to use garbage collection, and I got Ben Zorn a research grant that would allow him to use those programs for his own university research. We need more such industry-research cooperation:
ftp://ftp.cs.utexas.edu/pub/garbage/GC93/ellis.txt
In fact there was a research on ESC project to make manual memory management (memory leaks) in Modula-3 checked by ESC, but it was dismissed, because of complexity of logic (meaning it was feasible but need more hard work).
So even we get ever GPL Extended Static Checker Modula-3 code project (<100000 M3 loc) it would be invaluable (and DEC-SRC are mines of gold) to anyone using commercial applications and to us.

Thanks in advance 

    El Viernes 1 de septiembre de 2017 16:00, "mika at async.caltech.edu" <mika at async.caltech.edu> escribió:

Yeah I didn't mean to imply anything about GPL (or BSD, even, even though
I agree with Jay---I would much prefer that myself, I think that would be 
an ideal outcome, because you can always incorporate BSD software in a 
GPL distribution if that is what you want to do).

The problem as I see it is that the old SRC license has one or two clauses that
make the M3 license effectively "non-free".  Someone with legal authority would
have to give permission to license the system without those clauses.  Ideally
just remove them, in which case I seem to remember the license wouldn't be too
far from BSD...

    Mika

Jay K writes:
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>Please no. A relicense would be nice though-- BSD.
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>- Jay
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>Wait, there is a serious move toward releasing under GPL?  Or have I misun=
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>> On Sep 1, 2017, at 6:30 PM, mika at async.caltech.edu wrote:
>>
>>
>> Is there some consensus on what precisely needs to be extracted in terms
>> of a release?  The Linux discussion earlier on this list made no sense
>> to me, it almost sounded like someone was wilfully misinterpreting the
>> plain English of the legalese.
>>
>> Also who is/has been the best lead so far?  I can see if I can find
>> someone through various connections...
>>
>>    Mika
>>
>> Hendrik Boom writes:
>>> On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 05:27:16PM +0000, Daniel Alejandro Benavides D. =
>wro=3D
>>> te:
>>>> Hello:I fear most viable way to keep te language alive is to GPL it . S=
>oo=3D
>>> n we wont have the resortes to keep alive. Im not understimating anyone =
>her=3D
>>> e. But IMHO is de time to do it.=3DA0Thanks in advance
>>>
>>> Any GPL-compatible license will work.  Even MIT.  Possibly even the =3D
>>>
>>> so-called Creative Commons variation on public domain, which is =3D
>>>
>>> meaningful in jurisdictions without a concept of public domain.
>>>
>>> The hard part is liberating the parts of the system that are currently =
>=3D
>>>
>>> inder the existing Modula 3 license.  They will have to be replaced if =
>=3D
>>>
>>> we can't get the copyright owner to respond usefully.
>>>
>>> And that's a lot of work.
>>>
>>> -- hendrik
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><div class=3D"PlainText">Wait, there is a serious move toward releasing und=
>er GPL?   Or have I misunderstood this email.<br>
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>> On Sep 1, 2017, at 6:30 PM, mika at async.caltech.edu wrote:<br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> Is there some consensus on what precisely needs to be extracted in ter=
>ms<br>
>> of a release?  The Linux discussion earlier on this list made no =
>sense<br>
>> to me, it almost sounded like someone was wilfully misinterpreting the=
><br>
>> plain English of the legalese.<br>
>> <br>
>> Also who is/has been the best lead so far?  I can see if I can fi=
>nd<br>
>> someone through various connections...<br>
>> <br>
>>    Mika<br>
>> <br>
>> Hendrik Boom writes:<br>
>>> On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 05:27:16PM +0000, Daniel Alejandro Ben=
>avides D. wro=3D<br>
>>> te:<br>
>>>> Hello:I fear most viable way to keep te language alive is to G=
>PL it . Soo=3D<br>
>>> n we wont have the resortes to keep alive. Im not understimating a=
>nyone her=3D<br>
>>> e. But IMHO is de time to do it.=3DA0Thanks in advance<br>
>>> <br>
>>> Any GPL-compatible license will work.  Even MIT.  Possib=
>ly even the =3D<br>
>>> <br>
>>> so-called Creative Commons variation on public domain, which is =
>=3D<br>
>>> <br>
>>> meaningful in jurisdictions without a concept of public domain.<br=
>>
>>> <br>
>>> The hard part is liberating the parts of the system that are curre=
>ntly =3D<br>
>>> <br>
>>> inder the existing Modula 3 license.  They will have to be re=
>placed if =3D<br>
>>> <br>
>>> we can't get the copyright owner to respond usefully.<br>
>>> <br>
>>> And that's a lot of work.<br>
>>> <br>
>>> -- hendrik<br>
>>> _______________________________________________<br>
>>> M3devel mailing list<br>
>>> M3devel at elegosoft.com<br>
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